I have a very basic question which should probably know the answer to but its just been a sticking point. im in a casual new raid group and were running into problems beating the enrage on spiritbinder (several sub 1% wipes). So how much dps should each toon be pulling in basically 463 gear with a few higher pieces. I know logs on spirit are messed but this was our group on feng which i view as the closest to a patchwerk fight this tier. i always thought that people should be hovering around the low to mid 50s as a basic dps in this tier, are we really that far behind as a group or am i thinking to high.