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    If I were a teacher I would take the time to make school work not the same paper for everyone. In fact, I would probably have 4 or 5 versions for a class of 20 people, just to discourage copying. Instead, it would help enforce a better understanding of the topic. If they don't know what to do they can ask for help understanding why they can't get the right answer. Being a teacher is very important. You're passing on knowledge to students, and if you let them cheat, they are not benefiting and the education of the world goes down with each student that graduates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    China isn't the role model in this example, their students are....
    Which students? Is this the way it is in rural communities? Inner city communities? Tibet?

    Edit: The article says they got good results in rural communities as well. I'm still not sure I trust that the test givers were being shown representative samples, but I guess that's neither here nor there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ita View Post
    But homework is ALWAYS boring, there is no way around that. High schools and earlier teach all the subjects, you cant just pick that you dont want to learn literature or math or physic etc. and focus on the fun ones. For me, math would never be fun, I dont care what they do in the class or give as homework, it just doesnt interest me. Oh and another boring subject was English because I could get an A without any effort and the school was actually a great deal behind my level so it just felt a pointless waste of time even sitting in the class.
    You know, I strongly believe that it has a lot to do what teacher you got, and the reason for the homework.
    When I had a great teacher, and he inspired my interest, I was all over the homework I had. I looked forward to it, and I had fun with it. Because he brought the best out of me. I therefore cannot agree with homework as always boring. It's a case by case thing. But mostly it is just wrong homework.

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    My Psy teacher in High School...





    I bombed that class for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kragorr View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    Homework is used to get kids to study after school. So I guess they don't think kids should study?

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    This... also studying after school forces you to solve problems on your own instead of having teachers/friends around to give you a hand. Sure some might go to their parents but you're not a very good parent if you help your kids all the time with everything. Kids have to learn self reliance sooner or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    Unfortunately Algebra is needed in basic college(Or so I hear)
    Depends on the major. The only algebra I did at my University was generally plugging a few variables into equations. Aside from the one math course I took that had us solve stuff non-algebraically, I never had to solve for X the whole time I was in college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Which students? Is this the way it is in rural communities? Inner city communities? Tibet?
    They did not specify in the article.

    Generally spoken, China as an example here is a very bad move..
    Because we pay the price for doing it our way.. Our way of freedom.
    I am sure no one wants to trade our problems for a school system that's ran like a military base. With students marching in lines like soldiers and what not.
    I even question whether the statements quoted are natural responses. To me, they sound quite a lot like brainwashed ideologies.
    They are not natural. Natural for elementary school students is to have all kinds of stuff on their minds with school being the last one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    This... also studying after school forces you to solve problems on your own instead of having teachers/friends around to give you a hand. Sure some might go to their parents but you're not a very good parent if you help your kids all the time with everything. Kids have to learn self reliance sooner or later.
    Some problems, like ones that often appear in Math homework for me, aren't just solvable by thinking it through. Some of these problems simply have their own way of being solved and one can only find that way out through the teacher actually showing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VelmuVeera View Post
    Yes those equations are pretty god damn useless if you are just going to be flipping burgers on Mcdonals, but if you are going to college you are extremely likely going to need some basic math which includes basic algebra. Many branches require even more than just basic math, and hence you are forced to learn some math in high school so you don't have to start from the absolutely beginning.
    Exactly, *IF* you're going to college. A lot of people don't want to. I certainly didn't, and I was more than happy to get out of school ASAP to start my life as part of the middle class. If homework wasn't a part of the equation, I may have actually graduated. I did not enjoy spending seven hours in school, thirty minutes walking home with a 15lb backpack, then spending three MORE hours doing homework.

    My job doesn't require you to go home and do more work. You put in your eight hours, clock out, and go home. Most college jobs don't even require you to do that. Yes, I put MOST in bold because I realize there are some that do. Most do not, however.

    College is a totally different boat than school is, and it should be treated as such. We don't have a "Strict and Rigorous physical training" for the people who want to join the military, do we?

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    You know, I strongly believe that it has a lot to do what teacher you got, and the reason for the homework.
    When I had a great teacher, and he inspired my interest, I was all over the homework I had. I looked forward to it, and I had fun with it. Because he brought the best out of me. I therefore cannot agree with homework as always boring. It's a case by case thing. But mostly it is just wrong homework.
    I meant homework will always be boring not in a way that every single assignment is but some of it boring to everyone. Schools teach every subject, unlike colleges and universities where you can pick what interests you. So when it comes to subjects that just do not interest you, there is not much the teacher can do. And if he/she started wearing costumes and prancing around during class, the quality of the education would suffer, especially for those who are actually interested in the subject and dont need it to be mixed with fun yet unrelated things to make it more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Depends on the major. The only algebra I did at my University was generally plugging a few variables into equations. Aside from the one math course I took that had us solve stuff non-algebraically, I never had to solve for X the whole time I was in college.

    I don't even see WHY algebra is needed. Honestly I think it's a waste of time but that's for another thread.
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    go to school for 8hrs a day end up doing HW for 1-2hrs and then they expect kids to study i think one of these should be cut down
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    Some problems, like ones that often appear in Math homework for me, aren't just solvable by thinking it through. Some of these problems simply have their own way of being solved and one can only find that way out through the teacher actually showing it.
    See, the kind of problems I think are the best are word problems, which is funny because most kids hate word problems. The reason I think they work the best is because they present the information in a way that requires kids to put it together themselves. Of course, they'd still need to know the method for solving it, but it would require them to think more about the problem.

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    This is actually a terrible idea. Without having a conscious, independent effort put into school work, the learning potential is significantly decreased. Why not let teachers find out the most efficient way of teaching, rather than banning things like the stereotypical liberal/socialist (the american stereotype)? This president is frankly an idiot, and doesn't know how to do socialism correctly. He's pro big government, not pro socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    I don't even see WHY algebra is needed. Honestly I think it's a waste of time but that's for another thread.
    Oh, there's uses for Algebra. I've used it in my normal life outside of school. Geometry too. I'm just saying that not all University majors are going to require you to solve systems of equations, or factor quadratic equations. I could probably still do it if need be though.
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    This is stupid... It won't prepare kids for the real world. I hate homework but i understand its purpose. It creates a work ethic, and forces you to pay attention so when your on your own you can solve problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    See, the kind of problems I think are the best are word problems, which is funny because most kids hate word problems. The reason I think they work the best is because they present the information in a way that requires kids to put it together themselves. Of course, they'd still need to know the method for solving it, but it would require them to think more about the problem.
    Yeah, it also puts the problems in a format the kids may actually encounter real problems in someday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    This is actually a terrible idea. Without having a conscious, independent effort put into school work, the learning potential is significantly decreased. Why not let teachers find out the most efficient way of teaching, rather than banning things like the stereotypical liberal/socialist (the american stereotype)? This president is frankly an idiot, and doesn't know how to do socialism correctly. He's pro big government, not pro socialist.
    Well, he might ban berets, shirts with horizontal black and white stripes and wine next.. but then again, thats probably too much and France would have riots on its streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Depends on the major. The only algebra I did at my University was generally plugging a few variables into equations. Aside from the one math course I took that had us solve stuff non-algebraically, I never had to solve for X the whole time I was in college.
    If you take any business courses you will probably need some algebra.

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