I wasn't bashing the thread, I was pointing out the blatant disregard in his final post. It's funny, if anything.
Yes they are. Ignore the naysayers that only dislike the class now because they are no longer "omg a green geared clothie" one-shot machines.
I have vast experience with 9 classes, having raided quite seriously with many of them. On my rogue I had to ask other rogues, despite reading tons of guides, if I was doing it wrong - it feels like something is missing, a massive spell. Like ommitting unstable affliction from your rotation, something like that.
The problem with rogue - pve - is the gear dependancy - our rotation will start feeling a lot more fluid the moment we're not energy starved and staring at the bar waiting for it to pool. Furthermore, like many other melee classes, weapons just matter too much. It doesn't matter how many buttons you push or how hard your best you're doing, without the proper weapons (epic ones), you're just gonna be shit. Period. That's a completely retarded concept and outdated to boot. Add to that the fact that "haste will fix us later in the expansion", and I can genuinely say: rogues ARE broken. If a class is relient on gear to feel playable (note I'm saying FEEL, not "IS" - rogues are playable, rogues are viable. That's not what I'm on about), then something needs to change. Heck, for that reason warrior's rage was changed again and again, as gear had such a huge impact on how their play was - ragestarved constantly in early gear levels, ripping stuff apart in high gear levels.
Furthermore, our rotations are stale. Generally you get 5 combopoints with attack A, and spend them with attack B or C. Not even the blindside procs make assassination interesting - they're too few, their impact is barely noticable, but at the very least it brings some variety in a spec that otherwise has barely anything else to do but pooling energy.
Though I thought I hated combat the most, the opposite became true. The spec feels slightly faster, at least has something to keep up even if it's a shitty buff like S&D (which, as others have pointed out, is not really noticable when you play - it's just your shiny bar or aura), and adrenaline rush really does get my adrenaline pumping a bit - I get to spam something, I feel powerful for those brief moments. Killing Spree has its downside but you can't argue that it's very unique, especially compared to a hopeless cooldown like Vendetta, which not only locks you down on that target for the duration but honestly, I wouldn't know Vendetta wore off if I didn't track it with an aura. You can't say the same for Rush or KS. Bandit's Guile, personally, makes me think a bit more about what buttons I press when and how, when I align stuff up and allows me to maximize a great deal more than in any other rogue spec. Whether the concept is sound or not however is up for debate.
Subtlety, once the spec I loved and adored, still has a warm place in my heart. I hate that they removed keeping recup up. I loved the complexity of the spec, the things to watch out for. I love backstab, and shadow dance. But what was once a unique spec was brought down to be a duplicate of the other specs. Feeling equally slow, but at least with a 1min cooldown that drastically changes the way your play feels - or at least, Ambush spam feels a lot better than putting Vendetta up.
The spec identities need to be brought back. The time we spend staring at energy slowly refilling needs to change. Rotations need to become less predictable.
You guys are the rogue pros, and there's tons of topics with suggestion. One thing I'd personally like for Assassination would be to build more on the Venomous Wounds concept. I love when I suddenly get so much energy back, like a rush of energy. I'm imagining things like.. For example, getting this rush of energy and a new ability that actually actually hits for more than a wet noodle and makes me feel happy it procced (unlike blindside) would become available under this buff, for 3 stacks, that hits hard and puts up a dot, that is cheap or even free to use - similar to hand of guldan that applies a shadowflame dot per stack used, or explosive shot - while you keep your energy uncapped by spamming mutilate while waiting for the opportune moment to refresh said dot before your energy rush buff wears off. Or imagine this buff would actually copy rupture and our poison to a new target if used. I just pulled something completely random out of my ass here, I'm not saying it's a good idea, but just something like this would "un-stale" the rotation so much!
This became a wall of text. Sorry and thanks for reading, I suppose. I'm always lurking in the rogue forums, but I don't really post in class forums as a rule.. Anyway, to the OP: rogues leave a lot to be desired, but they're still fun. As someone said, they haven't changed much. If you liked them in the past, you'll probably like them now. Their mechanics and rotations just feel very vanilla-ish, especially compared to classes like WW monks.
Last edited by Cirque; 2012-11-24 at 03:20 AM.
Fun compared to other classes: no
I dont desire rogues to be massively broken like they were in 2.4.3 for example but they just feel gimped and forced into a world they dont fit in considering their skillset.
Id if the class would be somewhat like it were back in 3.3. Even tho wizards shat hard on us in arenas it was actually fast paced and had a high skillcap.
Back the the rogue class was fun for me.
pve wise they are okay to play compared to other classes not so much
pvp wise rogues are crap just a straight fact i dont even bother to pvp anymore
After four expansions rogues changed so little its kind of annoying really , nearly all the classes got new mechanics but rogues just get one extra cooldown to use. I can give you my stamp of approval when I say rogues are one of the most boring classes to play at the moment ( if not the most)
Rogues feel different than most classes, since they received so little changes over the years. Maybe that's why I like my rogue the most. He still "feels" the same way as when I played him in the older expansions. There have been changes of course, but far less/minimal than other classes.
I cannot pinpoint the exact reason, but somehow my rogue is still my favourite class. I have played almost every class and all of them were fun to play, but they "didn't feel" like my rogue.
Maybe I'm just one of the few people who actually likes rogues, though.
What about those of us who saw the massive changes to warlock and hoped for the best with our class. Screw performance, I'm talking about a control revamp and an aesthetic overhaul. This is not the game it was in vanilla anymore and thank god for that. The world, the classes, the systems, everything is different. So why does rogue feel like it got left behind? Our unique abilities were handed out to other classes and labelled "mobility." Our useful abilities were taken from us and redistributed as choose-one-or-the-other talent choices. The speed of the class is constantly castrated by an extremely outdated energy regeneration system.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, but while the community bashes each other in a dick measuring contest, comparing arena rankings or raid progress, some of us just want our class to be rewarding to play again.
Last edited by Ryngo Blackratchet; 2012-11-25 at 04:01 PM.
I say yes. I think rogues are very simplistic but I kind of enjoy that aspect. Something doesn't have to be complicated to be fun.
The rotation/gameplay is quite simplistic, but experienced players will still get more out of the class compared to less good players. That's what I like tbh. Easy to learn, but still fun to master.