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  1. #161
    Single Player story was TERRIBLE. It was like a really bad episode of 24, only you'd be hard pressed to find an episode of 24 as bad as the storyline. Plot was predictable and the whole family loss/drama bs is not something I want in my fps games.

    Zombies are terrible compared to how they were in the first BO, zombies break through barriers so fast that repairing them is almost pointless and the overall setup of the maps is just bad.

    Multiplayer dosn't seem like a big improvement from MW3. The size of the maps makes it very hard to get much use out of anything other than an smg/shotgun (think mw3 cqb syndrome). I like the original BO and MW2 because the varying maps allowed for frequent use of pretty much every weapon type, whereas now the tight hallways and sharp turns favor the smg and shotgun. Even worse is that in some of my matches, lag compensation was rearing its ugly head.

  2. #162
    The KSG is fucking terrible. I'm using the long barrel and the laser, and it does have some nice range, but half the time it won't register hits.

    I'll be able to kill someone like 40 feet away, but then when I try and do that to someone 5 feet away, I get nothing.

  3. #163
    So I had no intention of buying this game. I actually really liked the multiplayer from BO more than MW2 or 3. But the campaign was off the wall everywhere. But after talking to some friends they convinced me to get this and I'm gad I did.

    If someone would have told me that a cod game would offer you choices throughout the game I would have called them a liar. So I was almost floored when the opportunity was given to me to let someone live or die and then have the story change based on that decision. I never thought I would see that ever, and I'm damn happy they took the time to do it. I really enjoyed the ability to change your load out before each mission, it was fun to experiment with each weapon and attachment. Music was great best since MW2.

    The one glaring problem with the SP is the spec ops missions. Now they are optional but they effect your story outcome. Unfortunately the AI is so completely retarded that it can be really really frustrating to do. BUT this was an effort to try something new for the cod series and I appreciate that. So its really only a small thing for me.

    The one complaint that people always have about cod games is that they are carbon copies of each other and this game really does try to be different. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It seems like treyarch took the time to put together a good campaign with a good story, good villain who wasn't just pure evil and actually had some heart. Probably the best campaign since MW1 and maybe the best in the series. I really hope we see more of the story choices in future cod games.
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  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosEater View Post
    Multiplayer dosn't seem like a big improvement from MW3. The size of the maps makes it very hard to get much use out of anything other than an smg/shotgun (think mw3 cqb syndrome). I like the original BO and MW2 because the varying maps allowed for frequent use of pretty much every weapon type, whereas now the tight hallways and sharp turns favor the smg and shotgun. Even worse is that in some of my matches, lag compensation was rearing its ugly head.
    I only use SMG anyway so for me it's possitive and therefor I've won like 40 straight matches in hardcore FFA. atm I run with 5 perks, no nades, no secondary weapon and I lvl up each subgun fast with lazer sight and fast ammo. I don't want to tell my perk combo as it makes you a god

  5. #165
    this is probably the worst Multiplayer game ever created. THIS IS CALL OF HIPFIRE!!!!

  6. #166
    Will be an instant hit and stay for many years. It's definitely about time they caught up with the Battlefield series in terms of vehicles.

    Sadly I have to wait until christmas to play it when the kids open theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashi View Post
    this is probably the worst Multiplayer game ever created. THIS IS CALL OF HIPFIRE!!!!
    I'd hate to see what you think is a good mp game
    Apply blizzards model to any other subscription service,you'd be outraged:
    Netflix adds no new movies for a year, you click a new movie, there's a $5 fee.
    You're in an accident, click your onstar button, but there's an addition $20 fee for them to help.
    You turn on your tv only to find all you get are the infomercial channels. Every other show is pay per view.
    See how dumb that model is?

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Rashi View Post
    this is probably the worst Multiplayer game ever created. THIS IS CALL OF HIPFIRE!!!!
    One of the most competitive, still played and raved about MP FPS of all times is hip fire only - Counterstrike.

    Albeit Counterstrike weapons require you to control your recoil and movement while firing.

    Blackops 2 is like Call of Hipfire: SMG Ops 2.

    32 and 3 last night with Vector, laser site and perk stacking. Never once used ADS even though I'm an avid user of aiming. It was actually funny to me how much easier it was to kill people with just playing it like CS.



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    I've grown found of bunkering down with an LMG /w Target Finder and I do well *shrug*, although this is usually on Domination.
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    ofc the servers are still tripping balls for me...

  10. #170
    I'd also like to say that I really can't agree with people who dislike the campaign. I went into this expecting it to be bad and am fully surprised at how decent it is.

    You can completely adjust a loadout before the launching of missions which is awesome.

    I read somewhere (maybe in this thread) that this game lacks that wow factor of edgy content like MW2 and Blops had and I disagree. Within the first 2 stages there are massacres and executions right in front of you. I guess a desensitized group like us doesn't think that's edgy enough anymore. We need like children being eaten by wolves while we stab hookers we're fucking and even then we would yawn.



  11. #171
    For me, I just can't get past the poor graphics on consoles. It is getting to the point of hurting my eyes. Things are extremely blocky at a distance. I feel like I'm sniping people in minecraft...

    Its a major difference compared to Halo 4. I was impressed with the evolution of Halo 4 compared to other games... Black Ops 2 was obviously rushed and didn't even get a graphical update. I feel as if Black Ops 1 is still more impressive graphically wise (and gameplay).

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    Clearly shows how fucked up this game is these days. your gun is pointing atleast 2 meters of and you still get the kill.
    Consoles ruined the good PC games where accuracy ment something.

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    Did that guy really just hip fire someone across the map......? :/

  14. #174
    I don't see any problems in that video. Those ranges called close or mid range at best. Did you noticed he's not getting any long range medal well because its not long range or across the map or smt like that. There is no way SMG beats assault or light machine in long range unless AR or LM wielder so bad at aiming.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuntantee View Post
    I don't see any problems in that video. Those ranges called close or mid range at best. Did you noticed he's not getting any long range medal well because its not long range or across the map or smt like that. There is no way SMG beats assault or light machine in long range unless AR or LM wielder so bad at aiming.
    Correct. If you're past mid range the odds of beating an LMG or AR are bad especially if they are at least partially capable of ADSing. Hipfire long range works though for SMGs because I pulled it off last night. It takes an above average amount of rounds to actually land and honestly if you just ADS you could get a better ttk from long range but it works in a pinch.

    I was going to post my 38 and 4 video of me using Vector (laser/long barrel) hip fire the entire time but it's so damn cheesy. I might just toss it up to prove how unbalanced it really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuntantee View Post
    I don't see any problems in that video. Those ranges called close or mid range at best. Did you noticed he's not getting any long range medal well because its not long range or across the map or smt like that. There is no way SMG beats assault or light machine in long range unless AR or LM wielder so bad at aiming.
    Don't lie. I put the Primary Gunfighter wildcard on to equip 3 attachments to my primary weapon. PDW-57 with reflex, Fore grip and a long barrel, I was pretty much sniping people. SMG's do need a massive nerf. I feel im forced to use one because they are good in almost every situation I find myself in. When I feel forced to use a specific kind of weapon, the game design is wrong.
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  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by razorback07 View Post
    Don't lie. I put the Primary Gunfighter wildcard on to equip 3 attachments to my primary weapon. PDW-57 with reflex, Fore grip and a long barrel, I was pretty much sniping people. SMG's do need a massive nerf. I feel im forced to use one because they are good in almost every situation I find myself in. When I feel forced to use a specific kind of weapon, the game design is wrong.
    While I agree that SMGs are too powerful and need a nerf you are not forced to use them. I do completely fine with the FAL, KSG, SMR, 5-7 or hell, even knifing. SMGs are a crutch and that's that. If you feel you need to use one to compete then perhaps you do but it is not necessary to win.

    To be clear: They are too powerful to the point that they make bad/average players decent enough to kill someone better than them and they are also too powerful that they become just murderous machines in the hands of a veteran player abusing the ease and power of it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JustintimeSS View Post
    While I agree that SMGs are too powerful and need a nerf you are not forced to use them. I do completely fine with the FAL, KSG, SMR, 5-7 or hell, even knifing. SMGs are a crutch and that's that. If you feel you need to use one to compete then perhaps you do but it is not necessary to win.

    To be clear: They are too powerful to the point that they make bad/average players decent enough to kill someone better than them and they are also too powerful that they become just murderous machines in the hands of a veteran player abusing the ease and power of it.
    All assault rifles suck in CQB. I tried getting use to the MTAR but everytime I would get a small killstreak going, someone would pop in my face with an SMG and I was pretty much powerless at that point. Why use an assault rifle when SMGs are just as good in range, dmg can be the same but you move faster and ADS faster? Assault rifles make absolutely no sense, and this isn't helped by the maps been quiet tight either, there's a few with open spaces like turbine but the flanks down the sides are where the heavy traffic is, and guess what. SMG users.

    CoD has never got SMGs right. Remember ak74u in cod4? the UMP45 in Mw2? AK74-u in black ops? (pre-nerf), PP90M1 and Mp7 in Mw3? and now PDW-57 in blops 2.

    Only once do i remember an overpowered assault rifle, and that was the ACR from mw2.
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  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by razorback07 View Post
    All assault rifles suck in CQB. I tried getting use to the MTAR but everytime I would get a small killstreak going, someone would pop in my face with an SMG and I was pretty much powerless at that point. Why use an assault rifle when SMGs are just as good in range, dmg can be the same but you move faster and ADS faster? Assault rifles make absolutely no sense, and this isn't helped by the maps been quiet tight either, there's a few with open spaces like turbine but the flanks down the sides are where the heavy traffic is, and guess what. SMG users.

    CoD has never got SMGs right. Remember ak74u in cod4? the UMP45 in Mw2? AK74-u in black ops? (pre-nerf), PP90M1 and Mp7 in Mw3? and now PDW-57 in blops 2.

    Only once do i remember an overpowered assault rifle, and that was the ACR from mw2.
    I do remember all those weapons because I died to them a lot. COD has failed at SMGs since ever I agree but that just solidifies my point even further. While they are powerful, you can still use other weapons and do great. In MW1 I used the M16, in W@W I used the AK, in MW2 I used the ACR (lol), in Blops I used the FAMAS, in MW3 I used the ACR and in Blops 2 I'm using a ton of weapons right now.

    Again, I'm not denying the strength of the SMG. It's just broken in both new and vet hands. A lot of the maps have CQC so they can look crazy good. Couple that with the fact that everyone is using them (so it's the number one thing you die to) and you have tons of people jumping in that bandwagon.

    But guess what? That is the cool part about COD that I have always enjoyed - you can try and fight the masses by finding a way to beat them. FAL/SMR in close/med/long range is a 1-2 HTK. KSG is a 1-2 HTK at a stupid long range. Etc etc. On top of that, if the other team is just a bunch of run and gun SMG players, switch up your style. Play cautiously, switch to "camping" type equipment and perks and use a circle camping strategy (rotating between multiple key hot spots, knowing enemy locations with UAV/Fire fights and playing smart not fast). It works, there is a counter to everything in this game and right now SMGs are supr popular because of their ease of TTK so counter it when it becomes overwhelmingly annoying.

    PS - Vector > PDW57 all day urry day.



  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by razorback07 View Post
    Don't lie. I put the Primary Gunfighter wildcard on to equip 3 attachments to my primary weapon. PDW-57 with reflex, Fore grip and a long barrel, I was pretty much sniping people. SMG's do need a massive nerf. I feel im forced to use one because they are good in almost every situation I find myself in. When I feel forced to use a specific kind of weapon, the game design is wrong.
    Those equipments do not make SMGs as much deadly from range as AR. The problem is maps encourage close combats.
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