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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Sure that's exactly what I want. Thank you. From what it sounds like you actually don't have a real job and are making shit up but okay let's say you do. You really want more of that in WoW? In the previous games the system was flexible, so much so that if I could only play on saturday I could progress my face off on saturday and not have to worry about it. What does it matter if I play 8 hours on saturday and progress as much as the guy who plays 2 hours every day for 4 days? The total time is the same. In many respects I'm not asking for easy gear but even if I was who cares? What do my purples matter to you? You can still raid or dailiy your face off. Nobody is as far as I'm aware asking for them to be removed. Your SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT, is all yours and nobody can or will take it from you.[COLOR="red"]
    Now you are calling me a liar? Because I am able to balance, a job, family and a game? Are you fucking serious?! One lad I work with he is in a guild which pushes for realm firsts and has achieved many. Thousands of players mange work, family and wow. Yet, you call me a liar.

    I understand your point with regards to only playing 8 hours on a saturday, = 2 hours 4 times a week... etc etc. But Blizz decided that instead of being able to pop a tabard, and get from Neutral to Exalted in a day, they implemented Daily Quests, which was a result of people complaining there wasn't stuff to do, which was true. Now there is plenty to do, you can do heroics for gear or dailies for rep, which also leads to gear. Essentially with tabards, you are double dipping. And I guess they didn't want that.

    As for the easy gear comment, well, I care, as I am sure other people do. Why should you reap the same rewards as myself, when I sit and do the dailies... each and every day, run heroics, do sha of anger, put up with LRF idiots for a couple of hours. Yet you just want to either A) get it with no effort and rewarded with it for getting to 90, or B) having a tabard which grats rep on kill in heroics.

    I don't have a sense of entitlement, I am not entitled to anything. I do dailies to EARN access to gear, to EARN a tabard, to EARN a mount.

    End of the day, you don't like it, and you "apparently" you don't play the game. So good for you. We all get that, and from the crap you spout, I think we are all sick of hearing about how much you hate WoW right now.

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    It takes less than a month of dailies to get what you need from valor. After that you can never do them again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    No no no no no. Theirs a difference between saying you don't need it and your not getting it. Telling them your not getting it is basically denying them something they've had since IOQD. Telling them they don't need it is that it's their problem and they can ignore it. Theirs a huge difference. You guys are right that they don't need it really but your not being honest when you say your not getting it to fucking bad valor gear may as well be removed from the game.
    ... You can get it. You are choosing not to because you don't like daily quests. That's a perfectly acceptable choice, especially considering the time frame on when you can play, but let's not forget it is a choice.

    Honestly you just seem kind of mad that you have to do things other than dungeons in order to progress. I understand that in the past this seemed like the best possible way to play the game to you but since different people like different things it's been changed so you have to balance more than just running 45 minute instances until you fall asleep every night.

    That being said, once again, feel free to run heroics into the ground. They do drop epic weapons that you can farm for.

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    Hey OP I understand you, no way on earth I'm doing all those daily quests. Right now I'm only doing Tillers because I want to complete the farm, but with my own pace and skipping those quests I find boring.
    No one is pressing me (and you) to do them but I mist admit I fear I might be missing on something. In the end I just want reputation tabards back, they allowed me to play dungeons and get "free" reputation in the process, win-win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quikbunny View Post
    You'll get a lot of the "M8 YOU DONET HAF TO DO DEM" bullshit as usual on here.

    I totally agree with what you are saying, personally I would of loved a giant quest storyline for each faction while leveling that gets you at least to Revered with each faction. I don't mind having to work for reputations, but being limited to the same dailies everyday is just not fun at all.
    yes i agree, very good idea, it would make the lvling more enjoyable to 88-90 is just a whole heap of friken dailies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luciferiuz View Post
    Once again, you are complaining you can't get raid quality gear when you don't actually have the time to raid to begin with - so I'm not sure what your problem is.

    You can "progress your guy" in plenty of ways that aren't raiding or don't have anything to do with gear, it really doesn't seem like you need gear since you don't like PVP and don't have time to raid.

    I would suggest doing achievements, pet battles, challenge modes or any other form of progression you find interesting.

    Although, since you neither raid nor PVP nor enjoy daily quests - I'm not sure exactly what it is you do on wow.

    I love this. That guy is really confusing to me. Why would you even want gear if you weren't planning on using it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luciferiuz View Post
    ... You can get it. You are choosing not to because you don't like daily quests. That's a perfectly acceptable choice, especially considering the time frame on when you can play, but let's not forget it is a choice.

    Honestly you just seem kind of mad that you have to do things other than dungeons in order to progress. I understand that in the past this seemed like the best possible way to play the game to you but since different people like different things it's been changed so you have to balance more than just running 45 minute instances until you fall asleep every night.

    That being said, once again, feel free to run heroics into the ground. They do drop epic weapons that you can farm for.
    No no no no sorry. For those people who don't like dailies it's not much of a choice. They either do something they despise for the gear or don't get the gear. Telling them not to do it is saying YOU ARE NOT GETTING VALOR GEAR THIS EXPANSION. Not that they don't need it, need is irrelevant. That's not a perfectly acceptable choice because in reality it's a non choice.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mywifeinventedLFR View Post
    yes i agree, very good idea, it would make the lvling more enjoyable to 88-90 is just a whole heap of friken dailies
    Now, I might be misunderstanding you. That's possible. But, if I'm not, it looks to me that you are saying that levels 88 to 90 are just daily quests? What? I didn't do a single daily quest on any character before level 90 (during this expansion of course).

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    I've decided that instead of just giving up on them, I'll do them maybe a few times a week instead of daily, means I'm not forcing myself too do them, and I can take a more relaxed approach too them. But when I do get round too them, I'll do it with some guildies, the more the merrier, and the faster it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jalfrezi View Post
    Now you are calling me a liar? Because I am able to balance, a job, family and a game? Are you fucking serious?! One lad I work with he is in a guild which pushes for realm firsts and has achieved many. Thousands of players mange work, family and wow. Yet, you call me a liar.

    I understand your point with regards to only playing 8 hours on a saturday, = 2 hours 4 times a week... etc etc. But Blizz decided that instead of being able to pop a tabard, and get from Neutral to Exalted in a day, they implemented Daily Quests, which was a result of people complaining there wasn't stuff to do, which was true. Now there is plenty to do, you can do heroics for gear or dailies for rep, which also leads to gear. Essentially with tabards, you are double dipping. And I guess they didn't want that.

    As for the easy gear comment, well, I care, as I am sure other people do. Why should you reap the same rewards as myself, when I sit and do the dailies... each and every day, run heroics, do sha of anger, put up with LRF idiots for a couple of hours. Yet you just want to either A) get it with no effort and rewarded with it for getting to 90, or B) having a tabard which grats rep on kill in heroics.

    I don't have a sense of entitlement, I am not entitled to anything. I do dailies to EARN access to gear, to EARN a tabard, to EARN a mount.

    End of the day, you don't like it, and you "apparently" you don't play the game. So good for you. We all get that, and from the crap you spout, I think we are all sick of hearing about how much you hate WoW right now.
    It's true and this incarnation of wow managed to make their job managing family and wow all that much harder. You have a sense of entitlement in the sense that I shouldn't have purples unless I meet your puritan standard of "work" in a video game. Giving me purple gear at a relatively easy pace does nothing to hurt your game. You can still grind dailies all you like and nobody would care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Get a freaking grip. The game is out 4 weeks and you decided you MUST over indulge on dailies because you need PIXELS as a reward?

    You know..some people whine when there isn't enough to do and that there are caps on everything. Then Blizzard removes the caps, offers you loads of factions and a new breed of people comes to the forum and complains of that.

    If you cannot pace yourself in a game and think you need EVERYTHING and you need it NAU - then don't expect my sympathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmekiel View Post
    Sorry, but this gets thrown out a lot. Strangely enough I haven't actually seen anyone ask for that.

    What do you want then?

    Rep Tabards - People complain
    No rep Tabards - People complain

    Not enough dailies - People complain
    Lots of dailies to CHOOSE from - People complain

    Easy epics - People complain
    Not so easy epics - People complain

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    Yeah who cares, dailies are a lame excuse of "content". I'd rather be thrown around by the hulk than do them dailies everyday, bad design Blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jalfrezi View Post
    What do you want then?

    Rep Tabards - People complain
    No rep Tabards - People complain

    Not enough dailies - People complain
    Lots of dailies to CHOOSE from - People complain

    Easy epics - People complain
    Not so easy epics - People complain

    Blizz can't win. There is always gonna be someone twisting about something. Be a man, suck it up. If you don't like it, don't sub and don't play.
    Who complained on the forum that their weren't enough dailies? Seriously? Who the fuck? People complained they didn't have enough to do but that was because Blizzard didn't release enough stuff in a decent time frame. I recall virtually nobody complaining about lack of dailies.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    It's true and this incarnation of wow managed to make their job managing family and wow all that much harder. You have a sense of entitlement in the sense that I shouldn't have purples unless I meet your puritan standard of "work" in a video game. Giving me purple gear at a relatively easy pace does nothing to hurt your game. You can still grind dailies all you like and nobody would care.
    Don't bring up entitlement. You suffer from entitlement more than anyone else in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    No no no no sorry. For those people who don't like dailies it's not much of a choice. They either do something they despise for the gear or don't get the gear. Telling them not to do it is saying YOU ARE NOT GETTING VALOR GEAR THIS EXPANSION. Not that they don't need it, need is irrelevant. That's not a perfectly acceptable choice because in reality it's a non choice.
    ... let me make this as clear as possible for you.

    If i wanted the best gear set I could possibly get, I would be doing arena every week for conquest epics to fill the places where my PVE set and valor epics dont.

    I, however, don't enjoy doing arena as a prot paladin or as a ret paladin - which are my two specs.

    So I choose not to get that gear and focus on my PVE epics and valor epics instead. This is a choice i am making.

    Similarly, you can choose not to do dailies to get the valor gear - you can even get some of the valor gear without ever touching dailies - just do the normal quests in the zone.

    Will you have less than the optimal gear set? Yes. But realistically you aren't buying BoE epics, you aren't playing BMAH and you aren't in a world first guild - so you would never have the optimal gear set anyway.

    You choose how you get gear and how you progress. Whether that means raiding, LFR, dailies, PVP, buying epics, making epics, farming epics or getting epics from heroic drops.

    You can choose to do all of these things. You can choose to do none of them.

    Will your choice affect the speed you get epics? Yes. But it won't stop you from progressing. That is why it is choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luciferiuz View Post
    ... let me make this as clear as possible for you.

    If i wanted the best gear set I could possibly get, I would be doing arena every week for conquest epics to fill the places where my PVE set and valor epics dont.

    I, however, don't enjoy doing arena as a prot paladin or as a ret paladin - which are my two specs.

    So I choose not to get that gear and focus on my PVE epics and valor epics instead. This is a choice i am making.

    Similarly, you can choose not to do dailies to get the valor gear - you can even get some of the valor gear without ever touching dailies - just do the normal quests in the zone.

    Will you have less than the optimal gear set? Yes. But realistically you aren't buying BoE epics, you aren't playing BMAH and you aren't in a world first guild - so you would never have the optimal gear set anyway.

    You choose how you get gear and how you progress. Whether that means raiding, LFR, dailies, PVP, buying epics, making epics or farming epics.

    You can choose to do all of these things. You can choose to do none of them.

    Will your choice affect the speed you get epics? Yes. But it won't stop you from progressing. That is why it is choice.
    Well I chose not to do dailies and realized I had no where left to go in the game and so I quit. It does indeed stop you from progressing because at some point you run out of things to do if your not doing dailies. In fact you hit that point alot faster without doing dailies. It's in reality a non choice. I know you don't understand this but that's okay. When Blizzard brings flying mounts for alts or seperates raid locks and then it pisses some of you off you can come and tell me why it's all a choice again.

    You've made it extremely clear but I disagree that it's a choice. Or a worthy choice. I can always choose to tell the gunman no and be a hero. It's not a particularly good choice though. Subbing to the game is a choice as well and a very real well. Certainly a better one than dailies or no dailies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    btw it sucks that you're forced to do dailys if u want valor points items, but meh I do pvp and just do the framville dailys, I pve too but well you can wait you wont need valor points items later
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarris View Post
    can't pug or do normals because no one will take me because I don'thave the gear. Because I don't want to do the dailies. The next tier of lfr has ia minimum of i470 to enter. So how do I advance?
    You answered the question man.

    Do the dailies to get the gear ~> To get to the next tier of LFR ~> To get pugs to take you on normals.

    Not that big of a deal dude. It's a very basic step by step concept. Refer to the flowchart above if you get lost. Otherwise, take into consideration that the normals were tuned for ilvl 463. You can get a full set of heroic gear and join a guild or make your own pug if you don't want to do that. Most people that are in guilds that want to push for progression feel the need to bring members that are willing to take the steps to progress themselves inside and outside the raids, so basically they look for people who like to or don't mind doing dailies, because they can get a high enough ilvl to do LFR, which makes them do more dmg/easier to heal as tank/easier to heal the group in the normal raids.

    As someone in a guild that prides himself in surrounding himself with only like-minded people, I wouldn't invite anyone into my raid that wouldn't do dailies. If I can't depend on you to help yourself progress and get better at the job you're doing (not just skill, but getting the gear to go hand-in-hand with that) then why would I depend on you to help ME progress and get better at the job I'm doing. Which is the whole point of the raid group. The team play. The group experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuminousAether View Post
    Don't bring up entitlement. You suffer from entitlement more than anyone else in this thread.
    No not really. I left the game and gave them my 2 cents. When they make it better I'll be back to get tonnes of gear and be happy. Will that affect any of you? Probably not. I guess I must be entitled to expect fun out of warcraft. Oh well.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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