im going to say this for the thousandth time.
the valor gear is for casuals /endthread
im going to say this for the thousandth time.
the valor gear is for casuals /endthread
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Yes you needed rep in Wrath/Cata for the head/shoulder enchants. You don't need it now, those things either don't exist or are provided by scribes.
Dailies are the only form of content available to players who don't want to PvP, do any form of PvE group activity (none of which are gated behind reputation) or Pet Battles. And if someone who doesn't do any of those, and doesn't like questing... WoW is the wrong game for them. Like that poster above who plays this game to solo old content... this game is not for him. Thats not a bad thing, but really to complain the game is broken is a bit stupid, just go play something else...
What you forget to realize is that I understand that eventually after doing enough dailies, I can start having the fun you talk about having. In fact, I love flying on my dragon to the dailies, doing loops in the sky to the beat of my music, just being me, and eventually I get a reward from it. Sometimes you have to get your hands dirty. Ironically, it's a "hard day's work." in a game, to see the fun side, which i don't mind, being as I'm already use to it, and I can actually make it fun.
I understand the concept of reaping what you sow.
Me personally if a player trys to do hard solo's on there toon they learn it there toon better and become better at current raids due to having to pay attion and have to have so much DPS to finish the fights.
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Dailies are not required. The first raid is tuned for blue gear from 5man heroics.
Sure, it works better if you have some purples from LFR or Dailies, but these aren't TECHNICALLY required. Maybe you think you need them because you try to have every little advantage you can get. That's fine. I try to get as many purples as I can as well. But that's not what required actually means.
Stop hating on people that hate on people who hate dailies!
As many other have mentioned, it's almost completely optional. Personally I've moved on from needing valor gear already, and my guild is only 3/6 HC in MSV.
I like doing dailies. (Makes me a minority and/or pervert. I'm fine with that.)
I was never that fond of doing heroic randoms just to gain valor. I can do LFR once a week and do dailies to cap my valor. Last week I didn't even have to enter a dungeon once, since all my gear is 463+. I think this system is _far_ superior to Cata's.
My solution to this, and i apologize if its been said already.. only read the first 4-5 pages.. In WotLK you could use your badges to buy tokens that could give you particular reps.
My suggestion is, give the player the ability to grind out their heroics and let them use their JP to buy faction tokens but limit it to like 3k-5k purchasable rep per faction per week.. you could even link it to vp for tokens that gave more rep so those who have excess jp/vp have something to spend em on but not let them get all their rep immediately by spamming dungeons.. just something to help them move faster, or the ability to gain rep if you don't like doing dailies..
It's not just that. I also agree with what Blizzard stated: Arbitrary tabard rep grinding removes the identity of a faction. I mean I grinded rep for the dwarfs/Tol'Vir by putting on a T-Shirt and killing stuff.The point is that tabards were a terrible idea because you didn't actually have to be in the world. At all. You just get your tabard and hang out in a major city.
What do I know about these factions other than "they live in the highlands/Uldum and sell epix"? Nothing.
I'm not saying that dailies are the best avenue to promote faction lore and the chaining of lotus-> shado pan/celestials was dumber than dumb, but imho dailies and getting the feeling of "why do I do that, why do the guys like me better now?" are heaps better with the MoP system than pushing a bar to the max by wearing a T-Shirt.
BTW: I hate dailies with the passion of a burning sun, mainly b/c they don't provide flexibility and SUCK for weekend gamers, but even I can see some advantages they have.
A game, especially a never ending MMO, needs "work". I know peeps will hate on me for saying this, but working for something gives the reward a value in the first place. If WoW gave me everything I wanted at a whim.. wow.. that would be one hell of a boring game to play.it's a "hard day's work." in a game, to see the fun side, which i don't mind, being as I'm already use to it, and I can actually make it fun.
Something like Sha of Anger is actually nice for getting people out there for an event, even if it's faceroll easy. Even Galleon is getting people to hang out on his spawn spot even though that is a bit silly - they should change the spawn mechanic so that it's not all afk camping.
The thing is, I probably would be fairly happily doing some dailies for the cool stuff like Shado Pan mounts and the hat for transmog and... I'd just do the dailies every once in a while and skip a day if I'm busy with other stuff. But after grinding them because I feel I *have to* keep doing dailies for access to valor gear (I did have points where I could not buy anything for valor since a raid already dropped be something for the slots) I'm so burned out on feeling like I had to do this and it's going to take me forever to actually leave the city again.
The problem is, if you're a raider, you *need* to do it. You're not doing it for cool rewards, you're doing it to keep your raid spot. Mounts, titles, that stuff is good for reputation rewards. Gear that's needed for raiding has always been a shitty reward that promotes retarded grinding tactics (remember doing ICC rep runs, killing just Marrowgar trash over and over again?) because for raiding gear it really matters whether you have it this week or next week. For mounts and other coolness stuff it doesn't matter so no one feels like they *have to* rush to the highest reputation and grind it to the max every day.
You can forever list stuff like "well just after questing you can buy a Klaxxi neck" but for raiders having the choice also matters because you might just get a neck from an early raid. Unlocking all the choice at the earliest possible time is a big advantage.
Last edited by jaakkeli; 2012-11-03 at 03:22 AM.
People who do dailys have a serious addiction...P
See how easy that works?
It SHOULD NOT FEEL LIKE A JOB!@
Lazy? Lazy? People come home to relax and play some WoW, NOT to do some more 'work' which they are forced to do.
These threads are much more fun to read when you've already unsubbed and watching people justify why they pay $15/month to do something a Chinese kid gets paid 8c/hour to do.
2. It took me alot longer than 2 weeks to get bored of Skyrim.
Blizzard got in the hole because they couldn't produce enough end game content, not because they catered to casuals. I know of almost no one who said hey Blizzard make this game less rewarding. They did say they were bored and they were bored because it takes them Blizzard to long to get anything done. The solution is of course to invest more into warcraft and less into titan or whatever other project they are working. Don't ask me to do more with less. I choose not to do dailies because they are boring, unrewarding and a fucking job that doesn't pay you enough. I had menial low labor jobs that weren't really challenging and never paid enough and that's what dailies are. Blizzard catering to whomever their catering now will put them in a whole as well. Well unless that's the chinese of course. That's the only thing I can't figure out in all of this. Will the game continue to go south because the asian markets demand this style? Time will tell I guess.
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We don't hate people that hate dailies, we hate people that complain constantly about them.
No one is making you play or pay for WoW.
Also they've said, over and over and over, why they changed the tabard system. If you read blue posts, you'll find it. It was too easy to gain rep. It was passive. You just did heroics, got rep for it, swapped tabards every now and then. It was a boring system that made factions meaningless.
In the end, it's still optional content. Valor Points are optional content. If you're sitting at cap every week, why does it matter you can't spend them? You wouldn't be able to earn more anyhow. Spend that time doing dailies. It's easy gold.
If you really hate it, just quit. At the end of the day, it's just a game. There's thousands of other games out there, go play another one. Hell, I encourage everyone to try new games.
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Fact of the matter is if you wanted to be at the top of your game for HoF release you needed to do the daily's incase you had an unlucky few weeks of drops.
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