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    Prot gear question.

    Hi there peeps.

    Being the nervous new tankadin i am. I've read quite a bit about the new prot build, with haste/mastery > dodge/parry and all that.

    But!
    My question is this: Is it actually better for me(i just dinged 90 and got crap gear) to buy the blue BS crafted DPS PvP set pieces that have better stats on them? example: http://www.wowhead.com/item=82944

    Or the "standard" tanking sett with avoidance on it? example: http://www.wowhead.com/item=82920

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    -Synnara

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    I wouldn't focus on avoidance so much since you just dinged, make sure you can get hit and expertise to 7.5% to give you a good uptime on SoTR. Then start focusing on your haste mastery and avoidance

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    The hit/mastery PvP pieces are good. The crit/mastery pieces, not so much.

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    Ah

    Thanks for the fast reply both of you <3

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    Hit > Expertise hard cap > Haste > Mastery > Strength > Parry/Dodge > Crit

    http://www.icy-veins.com/protection-...t-best-in-slot

    This might help too Have fun.

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    What a strange attempt at a BiS list, errors such as DK legs in the leg slot with paladin legs in the glove slot, technical issues of linking HM equivalents in some slots, normal modes in others, and sticking to what appears to be a MV limited set despite that portion of the game lasting only for a few weeks.

    Can only assume it was made quite early in the beta and not updated since.
    Last edited by Choice; 2012-11-01 at 01:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choice View Post
    What a strange attempt at a BiS list, errors such as DK legs in the leg slot with paladin legs in the glove slot, technical issues of linking HM equivalents in some slots, normal modes in others, and sticking to what appears to be a MV limited set despite that portion of the game lasting only for a few weeks.

    Can only assume it was made quite early in the beta and not updated since.
    Yeah, I just had a look at it... Really, really weird and out of place.

    Might just make my own one as it's easier and less... wrong. I'll make you one later Synnara that composes nothing but 463 gear (rep stuff is going to be excluded.)

    Off topic - Choice, can you make me a signature? <3
    Last edited by GenaiTN; 2012-11-01 at 02:09 PM.

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    At the risk of sounding like a hipster elitist, it's typical of my experiences with icy-veins. Similar to EJ in the sense that the first one to post a function guide/list gets given full authority over educating thousands of players.

    That's not aimed at anyone in particular but it's happened a few times where rando's get the reins to a popular site's main guides/bis lists for classes.

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    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81574 - Helmet
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81239 - Necklace
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=82857 - Shoulders
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81234 - Cloak
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81187 - Chest
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81230 - Bracers
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81100 - Gloves
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81687 - Belt
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81270 - Legs
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81113 - Boots
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81561 - Ring 1
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81139 - Ring 2
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=81181 - Trinket 1
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=77530 - Trinket 2 (Debatable, but gemmed with 600 Haste, 600 Hit and 600 Expertise, it's sick.)

    Please bare in mind I did this for a haste specced Protadin, all reforging should get you hit capped and expertise soft capped.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-01 at 02:28 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Choice View Post
    At the risk of sounding like a hipster elitist, it's typical of my experiences with icy-veins. Similar to EJ in the sense that the first one to post a function guide/list gets given full authority over educating thousands of players.

    That's not aimed at anyone in particular but it's happened a few times where rando's get the reins to a popular site's main guides/bis lists for classes.
    Yeah I agree, some of it doesn't even make sense. I don't understand how dodge and parry could rate higher than haste/mastery etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Bigass list of gear
    daaaamn.
    Thanks a lot Helai <3333

    Let the gearing up begin!

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    Any STR plate piece that doesn't have CRIT on it - is tanking gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synnara View Post
    daaaamn.
    Thanks a lot Helai <3333

    Let the gearing up begin!
    Heh, it's fine buddy. I forgot to add a weapon and shield but Ook's Hozen Slicer and Impervious Carapace are the best.

    Remember to reforge anything that isn't Haste into expertise and hit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    Hit > Expertise hard cap > Haste > Mastery > Strength > Parry/Dodge > Crit

    http://www.icy-veins.com/protection-...t-best-in-slot

    This might help too Have fun.
    This is just insane and I haven't seen anyone doing it. Our prot pala is going Hit > Exp soft cap > Mastery > Haste. I'm pretty sure you want to start thinking about exp hard cap and haste when you have more mastery (2500 is laughable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonkura View Post
    This is just insane and I haven't seen anyone doing it. Our prot pala is going Hit > Exp soft cap > Mastery > Haste. I'm pretty sure you want to start thinking about exp hard cap and haste when you have more mastery (2500 is laughable).
    No, you want hard cap Expertise as soon as possible. Haste ~ Mastery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonkura View Post
    This is just insane and I haven't seen anyone doing it. Our prot pala is going Hit > Exp soft cap > Mastery > Haste. I'm pretty sure you want to start thinking about exp hard cap and haste when you have more mastery (2500 is laughable).
    Actually, I would say that your paladin is not really up to date and he should reconsider his gearing. Prioritzing haste over mastery is just so much more benefitial.

    What Helai is saying is completely correct and your paladin should consider optimizing his gear.

    Going for haste is what most good protection paladins do.

    Your paladin tank has many weird things.

    Dodge enchant on wrists.
    Intellect gem in legs ( lol? )
    Pandaren step on boots even though speccing into PoJ?
    He took the wrong boots from Sha
    I do not really agree with his spec, but hey, whatever floats his boat.
    I just hope you do not have another plate tank because feel like your paladin has taken alot of gear that has horrible stats for him which could have benefited another plate tank more.
    I would suggest you tip him to reroll haste build and watch the magic.
    Last edited by Firefly33; 2012-11-01 at 03:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonkura View Post
    This is just insane and I haven't seen anyone doing it. Our prot pala is going Hit > Exp soft cap > Mastery > Haste. I'm pretty sure you want to start thinking about exp hard cap and haste when you have more mastery (2500 is laughable).
    So I heard there was this thing right, called Mist of Pandaria and right, hear me out here - I heard they changed shit.

    How about you worry about your class and I'll worry about mine? I do my own theorycrafting and myself and healers are happy with my damage taken, my damage output and my healing output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Actually, I would say that your paladin is not really up to date and he should reconsider his gearing. Prioritzing haste over mastery is just so much more benefitial.

    What Helai is saying is completely correct and your paladin should consider optimizing his gear.

    Going for haste is what most good protection paladins do.
    So I should tell my GM and MT whos topping logs that some randoms on this forum told me that I should make him aware of that his stat priorities are wrong? You need to do a better job if you want to convince me/him. ^^

    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    So I heard there was this thing right, called Mist of Pandaria and right, hear me out here - I heard they changed shit.

    How about you worry about your class and I'll worry about mine? I do my own theorycrafting and myself and healers are happy with my damage taken, my damage output and my healing output.
    I tanked MSV normal in Ret gear and my healers were not complaining. Your argument is just odd, sorry.
    Last edited by Bonkura; 2012-11-01 at 04:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonkura View Post
    So I should tell my GM and MT whos topping logs that some randoms on this forum told me that I should make him aware of that his stat priorities are wrong? You need to do a better job if you want to convince me/him. ^^
    If only Theck was here on MMO-Champion to correct this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helai View Post
    If only Theck was here on MMO-Champion to correct this guy.
    Mate, you haven't even cleared normal MSV. Stop acting like you've achieved enough to get away with telling people they are wrong and not explaining why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonkura View Post
    Mate, you haven't even cleared normal MSV. Stop acting like you've achieved enough to get away with telling people they are wrong and not explaining why.
    Oh right, I forgot progress indicates knowledge. I prioritise my real life as opposed to raiding. I enjoy playing casual as I've been playing for almost eight years now.

    If you can't accept that Haste is on par with Mastery and Expertise hard cap is a priority, then I'll go and talk to a brick wall. I'd get the same outcome.

    Just go back to your class' forums and leave us Paladins be.

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