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  1. #321
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    'Basically China in WoW'?

    I never knew China was battling an invasion from insectoids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekadez View Post
    'Basically China in WoW'?

    I never knew China was battling an invasion from insectoids.
    Metaphor for Mongolian hordes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekadez View Post
    'Basically China in WoW'?

    I never knew China was battling an invasion from insectoids.
    I consider most Chinese people little more than insects. They're endless in numbers and have the same intelligence. It's exceedingly rare for me to meet a college student who is capable of critical thinking.

    Not tired of the theme, just tired of all this "sha this sha that" crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo Risin View Post
    Metaphor for Mongolian hordes?
    I thought the Yaungol were a metaphor for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekadez View Post
    I thought the Yaungol were a metaphor for that.
    I thought the centaur were a metaphor for the mongolian hordes, to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    "your" Medieval fantasy is euro-centric. Guess what, there are other cultures out there. But then expecting geeks to actually show imagination is a lost cause
    Well it just might be that europeans/americans prefer the medieval fantasy more vs. chinese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chirri View Post
    I'm as Asian as Kevyne, and I don't find MoP to be the least bit offensive. At least, not so far. I appear to not be as well aged, so the traumas of past injustices don't ring as loudly to my reality as they apparently do to his.
    If you don't remember the segregation/desegregation days and people with baseball bats, I doubt folks understand.

    My dad had to fight with the school board to get my siblings into a white school. And he had to, because segregation ensured Blacks got substandard instruction and even facilities. My brother should've became a boxer, because how many racial fights ensued just attending school. THAT is how far I remember...and don't forget.

    So, the PC crowd today probably see nothing about MoP, but I do. It's like your parents may get upset over something said/done and you have no inkling why it's a big deal, but they remember and to them it is a very big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constellation View Post
    Then you should welcome the Asian theme since most American history courses, even those supposedly covering the world, are centered around Europe with little more than footnotes and colonialism for the rest of the world.
    True.

    But that will likely more come when the Chinese becomes the superpower, and people will have to learn their version of history.

    I don't think the Western world will feel very comfortable of learning that part of history. And the Chinese government apparently doesn't just take apologies.

    So let them eat MoP, and dream of exotic lands with fluffy pandas (smell the incense too?)...for now.
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    I love Asian architecture and cultures, yet it seemed to dominate the game to such an extent at the expense of everything else that it contributed to my decision not to buy mop.

    Uldum was too Egyptian for my taste too. Norse in northrend was ok, and central American theme in troll instances was ok too. It's all about melding cultural reference in a subtle manner and not in an in your face way.

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    It seems that everything is asian in this expansion, which wasn't the case even in Wotlk. Needs more variety imo.

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    Anyone else get tired of mooks like this crying about the xpac? I have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laz View Post
    Anyone else get tired of mooks like this crying about the xpac? I have
    I'm more tired of people like you. The person who cries about the crying people

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    Quote Originally Posted by killidan View Post
    I love Asian architecture and cultures, yet it seemed to dominate the game to such an extent at the expense of everything else that it contributed to my decision not to buy mop.

    Uldum was too Egyptian for my taste too. Norse in northrend was ok, and central American theme in troll instances was ok too. It's all about melding cultural reference in a subtle manner and not in an in your face way.
    What got me about Northrend is that a player can relate to it, just walking out their RL door. From the trees and rivers in Grizzly Hills to even the cliffs and broken structures in Storm Peaks, it's an environment that related to the real world itself. It looked real in a WoW sort of way.

    MoP looks something Disney would make more. Only thing missing is a Disney inspired soundtrack straight from "Mulan". It works for Disney as they start from scratch, not try to pigeon hole a concept into an existing world (e.g., taking Cinderella and tacking on Mulan). It's also too foreign in a game based on classes and races inspired from D&D (Western mythology), not Asian lore. It doesn't fit well.
    From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes. They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."
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    loving it, but people will always find something to complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monoxyde View Post
    people will always find something to complain about.
    ^this

    I couldn't care for the asian theme one way or the other, looks fine. I love the looks of plases like dread wastes and the whole sha/first tier of the game was well done bar one or two classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    What got me about Northrend is that a player can relate to it, just walking out their RL door. From the trees and rivers in Grizzly Hills to even the cliffs and broken structures in Storm Peaks, it's an environment that related to the real world itself. It looked real in a WoW sort of way.

    MoP looks something Disney would make more. Only thing missing is a Disney inspired soundtrack straight from "Mulan". It works for Disney as they start from scratch, not try to pigeon hole a concept into an existing world (e.g., taking Cinderella and tacking on Mulan). It's also too foreign in a game based on classes and races inspired from D&D (Western mythology), not Asian lore. It doesn't fit well.
    Kind of presumptuous of you to imply that the playerbase somehow can't relate to Pandaria, or that Pandaria is somehow an environment that is not "related to the real world itself". The only people who really would have trouble "relating" to Mysts are people who have never been exposed to any kind of asian culture or history.

    I mean, you do realise that there are large chunks of china or japan where you could literally take a picture of the place, run it through a "WoW graphics" filter, and have it end up looking EXACTLY like a part of Jade Forest or Kun-Lai. Hell, my Brother and his Wife spent their honeymoon in Japan, they brought back wads of photos of temples, castles, landscapes and other places that could be cookie cutter models for half a dozen buildings or landscapes in Pandaria.

    Sure, as you say, I can also relate to Grizzly Hills (my family has a log cabin up in the canadian near-north where I went as a kid, where the landscape and stuff is very reminiscent of Grizzly hills). But that does not mean by any streach that I (or other people) can not also relate to pandaria.

    Also, It is a bit of a stretch to call WoW a mostly Western Mythology game, given that prior to Mysts you can easily find influences from the following Cultures / Archetectures / Myths and legends: Native American, Egyptian, Aztec / Myan, Nordic, Greek, Midldle Eastern, African and others.

    Sure, Pandaria is a bit different in that it is almost pure Asian, but it is a large mashup of pretty much the WHOLE of the Asian sphere of influence, overlaid with a kungfu / eastern-philosophy theme.

    I mean, if you really sit back and look at it, Pandaria is not really any more "different" then Northrend was when it was released, with it being almot entirely Norse / Viking themed right from the start to the end (with a smattering of trolls and a dragon graveyard right in the middle). Anyone unfamiliar with Norse legend would have been in the same situation you claim to find with Pandaria.
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    I don't really care for placing real world themes into WoW. Uldum looks beautiful, but I hate the zone, because it's not WoW it's ancient Egypt. I hate the quests, because it's some terrible Indiana Jones copy. I don't find it funny or neat. The same goes for Pandaland. It looks amazing, but it's not WoW, it's China.

    But of course it's just my opinion. I understand other people like it. It certainly hasn't ruined the game for me, just made it slightly less enjoyable in those areas.
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    To be perfectly honest. I've been tired of the Asian theme/music for about 6 or 7 weeks. It's just not my cup of tea.
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    No Im not racist, so I dont have a problem with it.
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    Japan and/or Korea (very south) would have been a much better asian theme. Shinto and Bushido, are the best ideas the human race has ever come up with, concerning personal conduct.

    Anyone catch the "world's fastest popcorn maker" on Mythbusters last night?

    China is a third world shithole, that is being pumped up by the 1% and pumping them back. Keep supporting that shit, at your peril.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trakanonn View Post
    The music is awesome, but the bosses suck. A few funny lines here and there, but the bosses just suck, so do the dungeons/raid zone(s). Probably the worst raids I've ever seen to be honest.

    Most overrated expansion in all of WoW is hands down mop.

    I don't follow lore much at all.. but in Cata I knew Deathwing was the ultimate goal, in ICC I know Lich king was the ultimate goal.... WHAT THE HECK is the point of MoP?
    I never understood this presumption that there must be some "ultimate goal" defined from the very start. Remember that in Vanilla WoW there was no "ultimate goal" so to speak, but the raids were still among the most fun in the game. Give MoP some time -- the story is still evolving. I think the best is still yet to come.

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