unkillable but they cant kill you either.
unkillable but they cant kill you either.
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I played lots of WSG/TP with 4+ healers.
Teams with too much heal lack pressure, so your DPS can go wild. Burst atm is so brutal, I can't think of any class that would survive full flag debuff against 5+ DDs using burst CDs (equal gear). 5 healers spamming greater heals couldn't counter that. So yeah, L2P
To tell the truth, I have more problems winning flag BGs when there are 4+ healers on my team. You can't heal the enemy's carrier to death. (Note: 4+ heal is too strong in Gilneas or Arathi)
"Healers" don't ruin random BGs, it's the lack of balance on multiple factors.
- people AFK or even botting
- premade groups or small teams cooperating via voicechat
- gear(!) players with green pve gear can't do anything at all against full arena geared players, yet they meet in the same BGs
- difference in skill. People playing the same class for years compete against joe random's first PvP experience as a rogue
- difference in knowledge. Joe random won't be helpful on his first visit in WSG
- different goals. You play to win, joe random goes for kills, jane random for achievements
- stacked "OP" classes
- too much or too few healers
- human error (oops, wrong specc)
On the large scale, all that evens out. On small scale, you can loose 10 BGs straight and tend to blame this on "healers" because you couldn't kill someone.
Balancing random BGs to 2-3 heals + 7-8 DDs is a start, but it won't fix the problem. You'll still loose against better gear, better teamplay etc.
Healers are killing 2s and random BGs. If you don't have a healer on your team, your chances of winning just went down a lot (this is true by design seeing as 1 healer > 1 dps). It is fustrating, and random. Mana should matter far more if you aren't a disc priest, and the healing debuff should hopefully be changed from 15% to 30% at some point after 5.1.
i said that in the main wow forum sometime in bc. since then healers destroy bgs and arena. simpliest solution would be to ban heal specs from arena and bgs. healers shouldnt complain, they still can play with their second spec.
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Im really waiting for some mana regen nerfs on druid, shaman and paladin. Priests and monks are perfect
Yeah been saying this for such a long time now, so couldn't agree more. I'm just really hoping they put the balance to teams in the PvP queue system, since it's ridiculous getting games where the other team has 3-4 healers or more, mean while your own team has 1 or none. Had a game of EotS the other day that highlighted just how stupid it is when you've got a team with 5 healers, just healing each other, non stop, no mana issues, people being topped to full all the time. Doesn't matter how much effort you put into a game like that or how well your team plays. You can't beat that without an equal amount of healers, which is never the case with the current system.
Now i'm all for healers having defense, since i think a lot of the control/stuns/silences are completely unfair. That said, healing currently is out of hand in PvP and it's no real susprise when people reroll from dps to healers, when they suddenly realise that a healer can literally tank 3 people with the full tier of pvp kit. It is however fair to point out that not all healers are as strong as each other. Resto shamans are on Warrior/BM levels of OP right now in BGs.
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---------- Post added 2012-11-05 at 07:46 AM ----------
Remember: most healers are full dreadful or better geared. Healers that aren't get DESTROYED. Think about that.
---------- Post added 2012-11-05 at 07:50 AM ----------
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Do many dumb ppl in this thread... we feel your frustration but saying stupid things wont make you fell better. The only way to fix this is making same system as LFG where you can only get a max number of healers.
The problem here isn't healers, it's people being either completely outgeared and simply unable to understand that gear does in fact matter or being unable to actually play in any kind of meaningfull way.
I remember an green geared enhancer shaman partly wearing Cataclysm 377 pvp items crying on the battleground chat about how op healers were, because he couldn't make a dent in the armor of an half epic holy paladin. To me whenever I see someone complaining about healers, it's people like him.
Last edited by Deleth; 2012-11-05 at 02:31 PM.