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    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    All night to learn? The ONLY new mechanic is picking up crystals (based on the pertifying dog) and then running over ground tiles. Seemed pretty simple to me at least.
    Get yourself 9 completely random people and pop in there. Make sure the other 9 are brand new to it. Don't watch any videos or use anything but a vague pass over the dungeon journal.

    Oh, and be wanting to chill after a week at work, and have a few drinks inside you before setting out.

    It'll take you half an hour before the tanks get it, and then you'll have to work on everything else. Not entertaining.
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    I thought you were referring to heroic guards. I can completely see a random pug group having problems on guards. I thought you were referring to heroic, which inherently means your team understands the fight, it's just one new mechanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Injin View Post
    Get yourself 9 completely random people and pop in there. Make sure the other 9 are brand new to it. Don't watch any videos or use anything but a vague pass over the dungeon journal.

    Oh, and be wanting to chill after a week at work, and have a few drinks inside you before setting out.

    It'll take you half an hour before the tanks get it, and then you'll have to work on everything else. Not entertaining.
    9 random people? LFR was made for pugs, if you want to do real raiding find a guild.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Injin View Post
    Get yourself 9 completely random people and pop in there. Make sure the other 9 are brand new to it. Don't watch any videos or use anything but a vague pass over the dungeon journal.

    Oh, and be wanting to chill after a week at work, and have a few drinks inside you before setting out.

    It'll take you half an hour before the tanks get it, and then you'll have to work on everything else. Not entertaining.


    This is like telling someone that Major League pitching is too hard for 10 year olds to hit.

    Kids shouldn't be at the plate. There are ability-appropriate leagues for them, and there is LFR for people who can't coordinate and won't put in the effort to learn the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azzgunther View Post
    This is like telling someone that Major League pitching is too hard for 10 year olds to hit.

    Kids shouldn't be at the plate. There are ability-appropriate leagues for them, and there is LFR for people who can't coordinate and won't put in the effort to learn the fight.
    It's not a question of being unable to co ordinate, simply that it's perfectly possible to put easier bosses in and ramp up the required effort over time, especially on normal modes.

    Stone guards needs nerfing - or to not be the first boss of the first raid of the first tier of mop.

    Theres no entry level raid again. It's LFR that is a new players entry to raiding according to some, which is going to be 14 tank and spanks that said new players get carried through by grumpy veteran raiders with zero interaction and then a huge step up to stone guard normal.

    Poor design, end of story.
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    Jasper Links, disconnects and hacks cost the life of my raid team, true story

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Injin View Post
    Stone guards needs nerfing - or to not be the first boss of the first raid of the first tier of mop.
    Yeah, nah. Sorry, but if you fail at Stone Guard, then you aren't cut out for raiding and, given the 98% on wowprogress, you're in a pretty small minority.

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    Dunno about you, but I honestly think that I AM in the WORST raid group ever and we two-shotted the hardest Stone Guardian combination (Jade missing) this ID on normal.

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    I actually prefer Jasper over Amethyst. So Jasper/Cobolt/Jade is the best combination you can get. You only have to move from Mines which happens less requently than Amethyst Pools. Stacking for Jasper Chains is not hard at all, just don't stay so spread out to begin with. Jade just does some AoE abit now and then. To handle all this you just break Mines when Cobolt Petrification happens or just use some immunity like Hunter Deterrence. You break chains with Jasper Petrification (though its not really needed at all to break it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by notdryad View Post
    Yeah, nah. Sorry, but if you fail at Stone Guard, then you aren't cut out for raiding and, given the 98% on wowprogress, you're in a pretty small minority.
    You really have no clue how wowprogress percentages work, do you? That's the percentage of guilds that have at least one recorded boss kill in this tier's raids. Of course the first boss will be close to 100%, regardless of how hard the content is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    You really have no clue how wowprogress percentages work, do you?
    Then by all means explain.

    PS I wouldn't call anything on Normal until Elegon hard, but okay.
    Last edited by notdryad; 2012-11-10 at 04:36 PM.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Injin View Post
    Get yourself 9 completely random people and pop in there. Make sure the other 9 are brand new to it. Don't watch any videos or use anything but a vague pass over the dungeon journal.

    Oh, and be wanting to chill after a week at work, and have a few drinks inside you before setting out.

    It'll take you half an hour before the tanks get it, and then you'll have to work on everything else. Not entertaining.
    go and do some 5 HC - you SHOULD be good enought to end each of them in like 2-3 hours run.

    Raids are for ppl who wants some challenge from game. Not only for ppl who are: "switching off my brain, going first time to kill something i've never seen/read about in my first night, first attempt when my playing skills are: "Staying in 1 place for 10 minutes hitting random abillities."

  13. #253
    "Undergeared" ... "Stone guards" ... No. just No.

  14. #254
    if you cant deal with that boss, you might stick to raidfinder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    1) Yesterday we 1shooted this encounter with Cobalt/Ame/Jade combo - it was easier than Sha of Anger. I'm talking about how much the difficulty changes with the addition of chains
    2) We aren't aiming for world 1st, just for some fun. Yep, those guilds still exist.
    Chains makes it harder, but you just need to be aware and stay close to the person you re chained too, no real reason to break them. The encounter doesn't really need adjustments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notdryad View Post
    Yeah, nah. Sorry, but if you fail at Stone Guard, then you aren't cut out for raiding and, given the 98% on wowprogress, you're in a pretty small minority.
    Killed stong guard after a few wipes.

    My comments aren't about me and my experience, they are about what's good for the average player.

    Stone guard has a 90% fail rate or something. It's a terrible first boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bozzna View Post
    if you cant deal with that boss, you might stick to raidfinder
    Those complaining are probably from 10 man raiding guilds that don't want to do 25 man LFR.

    If there was a 10 man raid at LFR difficulty many would probably be doing that.

    There is a hole in the raiding menu for guilds of that kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Those complaining are probably from 10 man raiding guilds that don't want to do 25 man LFR.

    If there was a 10 man raid at LFR difficulty many would probably be doing that.

    There is a hole in the raiding menu for guilds of that kind.

    Which, after cataclysm is probably a LOT of guilds.

    Stone guard is a great 4th boss. It's a fine 5th boss. It's a wonderful end boss, even.

    It's a truly terrible intro to a raiding tier. Remember, this might be someones first ever raiding experience and having it be a cockblock is poor design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    1) Yesterday we 1shooted this encounter with Cobalt/Ame/Jade combo - it was easier than Sha of Anger. I'm talking about how much the difficulty changes with the addition of chains
    2) We aren't aiming for world 1st, just for some fun. Yep, those guilds still exist.
    2) Which is great, power to you.., but get realistic dude!

    Because you and your band of merry hoho's can't be bothered trying to adapt when a fight changes (ever so slightly), it should be nerfed?- if that's the mindset of guilds who exist just for fun, then stick to lfr, pet battles n' whatever else was created for your type!

  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Injin View Post
    Killed stong guard after a few wipes.

    My comments aren't about me and my experience, they are about what's good for the average player.

    Stone guard has a 90% fail rate or something. It's a terrible first boss.
    Good for you? I know that you're the spokesman for the average player, common man, etc.

    I'm gonna have to ask for some proof for this "90% fail rate." That seems outrageous for an easy boss.

    Those complaining are probably from 10 man raiding guilds that don't want to do 25 man LFR.
    Then they should get better. The mechanics aren't hard.

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