---------- Post added 2012-11-07 at 01:24 PM ----------
I have literally NEVER seen WoW developers say that Simcraft is not accurate in the way you are referencing. Twintop is right in his last post about what has actually been said about the whole Simcraft thing. They've also said that people have put too much faith in Simcraft over Blizzard's internal numbers. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY'VE SAID SIMCRAFT IS NOT ACCURATE! You are taking what Ghostcrawler has said and twisting it around to your liking. This is another case of you, Konway, presenting an argument with your wall-of-text posts that make absolutely no sense and without a single thing to back it up.
I can also personally assure you that no serious theorycrafter in the priest community has used a single Simcraft result to determine stat weights. In fact, there have been hundreds of Sims used to do so and the fact that you argue that makes you look ignorant. If you'd done a little research before spouting off at the mouth, you'd know that. Instead, you'd rather come here and provide misinformation to the community.
You speak a lot about theorycrafting but all you've provided to the theorycrafting community is your opinion, which unfortunately doesn't cut it.
TLDR; Back up your claims with legit math/numbers or go back to your corner.
Nice going Konway...
Arguing with some of the most knowledgeable priests in the community when it comes to theorycrafting, and not backing up any of your claims with data. That's an argument you can't win, no matter how many insulting comments you make.
This is getting so confusing ! Essentially how much intellect gemming can i sacrifice to reach the haste 8085 cap?
Since i got the Lfr Elegon trinket last night, i can finally reach the cap, but is it worth changing the gemming?
Currently at 7920 haste
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Basically if you can reach the haste breakpoint with one or two gems then that is fine, I wouldn't use haste gems before that. For your yellow sockets (especially when the bonus is int) you should always be using Reckless Vermilion Onyx by default.
Yes, that close to the haste cap you will see a DPS increase to regem. Easiest suggestion: switch your belt buckle gem from 160 int to 320 haste.
I would not lose more than 400 int though, at current gear levels.
Underlying Data: haste breakpoint is ~250PP at BiS gear. Haste is worth 0.44PP at BiS gear. So you can lose 250/0.56=446int for haste. Since we're not at BiS gear this will be lower. I use haste as 0.39PP, which will make it 409 int, or 400 if you round it in increments of 80 Int gems.
Thanks Zarqa for the speedy reply and the numbers so i won't have to bother you much anymore! i would have have put a 80int + 160 haste if it wasn't for you :>
In short: the more Int you sacrifice to get to the breakpoint, the less DPS gain it is for you. If you give up more than ~450int to get the breakpoint, it is a wash with a ~+0PP gain.
I think Woaden might have missed the fact that for each int you swap, you still get the haste back. This will allow for more than the 250 Int, it's not just a matter of 250PP=250int.
According to Kilee, the 250PP gain should stay the same across gear levels, so that is static. The only thing that will change is the PP value of haste. Drye uses your value, Twintop. But that is at BiS gear. I use 0.39 myself, which will mean 409 int, rounded down to 400.
Not trying to be a smartass btw, just making sure I am not using faulty info.
Sry, I stopped posting on this after the amount of ignorance that was shown. It just baffled me that someone is possible to neglect that much logic.
The 8085 breakpoint isn't a high dps gain at all. For multiple reasons, in a 100% perfect world and on a 7.5min fight the 8085 reakpoint saves you a total of two sw;P gcds during the entire length of the fight. That means that if you have a total of 20 refreshes of sw;P w/o the thresh hold, with it you would have 18 sw;P casts during the entire fight.
The second thing is, the number is being inflated by the DP2+ tick, the real dmg increase comes from that(the ~250PP gain). The dmg increase is a static increase too, so that means that the increase of dps isnt from getting extra GCd casts, its from the actual dmg of the spell.
So there are a few things to note here, one is that the bulk of the dps gain from reaching the 8085 thresh hold is from the DP2+ tick(8064). The second is if you are refreshing sw;P at all early like from INT procs or from spamming on the move, the int loss from gaining the amount of needed haste will be a dps loss.
I need to update my original thread on H2P with some more info and math being done, sadly with progression I wont have time to at least tomorrow night/saturday afternoon at the earliest. There was also some more information that you might not have read yet since it isnt in the OP yet:
I know there was also a lot of talk about crit vs mastery and mastery vs haste. This should help people out a bit.
All bow to the holy sim.
Please post constructively.
Last edited by Arlee; 2012-11-14 at 03:45 PM.