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    Quote Originally Posted by slime View Post
    I question the rest of the world's motives. I think they would prefer to see us fail, so they pick the president they think will be best and quickest at getting us there.
    Thats a very paranoid attitude you have there, what would Europe gain if the USA collapsed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baiyn View Post
    Glad it's not complete gibberish to everyone then. (Cleared my post up a little bit and added a couple more points as it felt like a bit of a inconclusive wall'o'text.)



    They should. The American market is extremely important to the rest of the global economy and U.S. - U.N. relations and policies have a big effect on international affairs.
    America and its economy does not effect me or where im from in the very slightest. and that holds true for many countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himora View Post
    America and its economy does not effect me or where im from in the very slightest. and that holds true for many countries.
    Where are you from that is so isolated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    It's his economic ideas that are childish and petulant, not the idea of scaling back foreign influence.
    A lot of people complain that today the national government reaches too far on some issues. The country is split on healthcare: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...-care-mandate/, income tax: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/bu...ax-debate.html, and many other issues. Ron Paul seems to just want these issues to be relegated to the states which was probably the assumption when the constitution was made.

    Again I don't know if I'm for Ron Paul's ideas because they do leave a lot of questions. But I think they're far from unrealistic. Why is a state income tax less realistic than a national income tax? Why is state mandated healthcare less realistic than national mandated healthcare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himora View Post
    America and its economy does not effect me or where im from in the very slightest. and that holds true for many countries.
    If you think that the fate of the world's largest economy has not even the "slightest" effect on your country, then you are deluded about the extent of global interconnectedness and codependency.

    Assuming you aren't from like, the centre of the Sahara or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slime View Post
    I question the rest of the world's motives. I think they would prefer to see us fail, so they pick the president they think will be best and quickest at getting us there.
    The rest of the world just doesn't want Iran invaded because of its nuclear ambitions or China being alienated after being declared a currency manipulator as would happen in the first week of a Romney presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himora View Post
    We do not have mass oil in South Africa so the USA stays very clear from us.
    You are aware they are your biggest trading partner right? If the USA fails it will hurt your wallet real bad.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...f_South_Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    If you think that the fate of the world's largest economy has not even the "slightest" effect on your country, then you are deluded about the extent of global interconnectedness and codependency.

    Assuming you aren't from like, the centre of the Sahara or something like that.
    America's economy does not effect me or my way of living in the slightest, this is a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    You are aware they are your biggest trading partner right? If the USA fails it will hurt your wallet real bad.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...f_South_Africa
    Not to mention the knock-on effect on 3 (Germany, Japan, China) of the next 4 top export markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himora View Post
    America's economy does not effect me or my way of living in the slightest, this is a fact.
    No it isn't. Your deleted post says you're from South Africa. The collapse of the global economy following the US's fall will devastate your country's economy.

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    this 50/50 for obama/romney scares the shit out of me. i think americans can be easily manipulated, because of the predecision of 2 candidates.

    if there were lets say 3 rep and 3democrats neither obama nor romney would win an election. they are some kind of polarised stereotypes. its a system-thing.

    romney would never dare to speak out in europe for example, no serious party would let him be a candidate.

    the really scary thing is, that despite romney beeing a real dumbass in public concernes (hes just not good at rethorics and such things) really speaking out everything some extremist rep would think, despite all that romney actually finds FOLLOWERS in this damn country of fundamentalist christs. and this really scares europe and myself.

    i think there were better candidates than romney AND obama. yet they are the canditates for choice and by some reason both find followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    Not to mention the knock-on effect on 3 (Germany, Japan, China) of the next 4 top export markets.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-04 at 05:47 PM ----------


    No it isn't. Your deleted post says you're from South Africa. The collapse of the US-centric global economy will devastate your country's economy.
    I grow my own food, I live in my own house i built on the beach, tbh all it would effect is my electricity bill & petrol price.
    I cant see any other way it would effect me.

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    Let me ask you a question Himora, what did you think caused that dip in 2009 here?

    GDP Growth Rates, South Africa

    http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...uth+africa+gdp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himora View Post
    I grow my own food, I live in my own house i built on the beach, tbh all it would effect is my electricity bill & petrol price.
    I cant see any other way it would effect me.
    If you are too rich too care/lives like a hermit/whatever then it might all be the same to you. But it will have a major impact on your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himora View Post
    I grow my own food, I live in my own house i built on the beach, tbh all it would effect is my electricity bill & petrol price.
    I cant see any other way it would effect me.
    Right, and when the country break downs economically you will carry on living peacefully, its not as if South Africa has a certain reputation for that kind of a thing right? Looters will take what you own and leave you for dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Thats pretty crazy considering the current relationship with Pakistan.
    Not really all that surprising really. Both have very significant numbers of voters that are controlled by their religion. The difference between Utah and Pakistan is not really all that large, their ideologies are just called different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    Let me ask you a question Himora, what did you think caused that dip in 2009 here?

    GDP Growth Rates, South Africa

    http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...uth+africa+gdp
    I payed more for petrol & a steep hike in bills, all in all it didnt effect me much.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-04 at 05:51 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Right, and when the country break downs economically you will carry on living peacefully, its not as if South Africa has a certain reputation for that kind of a thing right? Looters will take what you own and leave you for dead.
    They do that already. it's not exactly a safe haven here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himora View Post
    I payed more for petrol & a steep hike in bills, all in all it didnt effect me much.
    Nice goal post moving.

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    Most Americans are ignorant sheep who do little research about the Candidates they vote for and tend to believe the Propaganda portrayed by the televised media and the political campaigns themselves.
    Not only that but sadly many Americans political values tend to be hereditary aka that's the party my daddy voted for so that's who I vote for.

    Combine that with the fact most Americans have been brainwashed into believing voting 3rd party is throwing your vote away, and our Election system becomes a complete joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    Here's the proof though.

    Polls currently show 48/47 Split (Obama/Romney).

    According to the website linked, Americans who participated were 81.25/18.75% in favor of Obama.

    Huge statistical deviation, and with a larger sample size.

    Which means one of the polls is not statistically valid. And I'm going to guess it's the one the OP linked.

    /thread.
    Why do you keep trying?
    And well, I guess it's because Obama is more socialist than Romney.
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    Wow, for someone with a trollface avatar, you are pretty bad at this.

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    As someone from outside American, I don't hate Romney or any republican, far from that. I just think "Wow, this guy doesn't look honest. How can Americans let him decide for their country?"

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    No clue OP. I find it hilarious how romney is even a candidate, but then again I did watch a part of the "debates" they do and it looked more like a school yard popularity contest, except the kids were rich and bought tons of fireworks / katy perrys.

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