Patch 5.1 - New Faction Rewards, Blue Posts, Popular Guild Names, Weekly Roundup

[gyver]

IF <toon belongs to raid guild> AND <can be done individually> AND <provides upgrades> THEN <mandatory>

I am not talking about hardcore guilds either. Any of the mid-core guilds that make up the core population of every server expects the same: raid during raid times and on your off hours, pick up any odds and ends that boost your output.

LFR should be far enough behind regular and heroic raids that it is almost inconceivable that it would provide a raider with an upgrade. There is nothing wrong with letting everyone see all the content. But there is no reason in heck that the very casual players for whom LFR was designed cannot be a couple months, not couple weeks, behind.

Basically this is what blizzard needs to understand. My guild does a total of 9 hours of raiding per week but we fully expect everyone to take advantage anything they can out of raid. I can't understand how blizzard can argue that people don't "need" to run LFR. When its equivalent to saying people don't "need" to flask or get a food buff. If you don't do these things you are dragging down everyone else in the guild that took the extra time to make sure they had every advantage they could before entering the raid.

[roflpot]

Blizzard really are clueless sometimes aren't they?

I quit raiding because I don't want to do shit I don't enjoy just to raid. If I want to raid with my current guild (clears all content but not top 10 on the server) I _HAVE_ to do dailies, LFR etc or other people will bitch and moan at me. It's not a personal choice to do it or not, you'll make the rest of your raid that did do it angry with you for not pulling your weight. Why are blizzard so utterly unable to see this?

Quitting raiding is just the best thing for me atm or potentially spend months finding another guild with people I like. Bearing in mind I've been with this guild since MC in vanilla so leaving isn't exactly a viable option.

[Gruffertus]

Quitting raiding is just the best thing for me atm or potentially spend months finding another guild with people I like.

I think finding a guild with people you like will have a lot of other benefits, to be honest.

[palaftw]

Spell dps trinket compared to others trinkets except tank one is a shit. Bring it 1k int and haste on use instead haste and int on use...

[Ceresc]

Re: The blue arguing about LFR, do they even play the game they created? How do they not realize that every last bit of ilvl upgrade makes bosses that much easier to kill?

Many players (not saying it's your case, of course) believe that they are on par with the skill level of players further ahead than them, and that the only thing separating them from players with more progression is just gear. More often than not, the issue lies on the skill side, either your group is not really making the most of their dps rotations, cooldown usage is not being proper, etcetera, or it may very well be that your group is still undergeared for that fight (as long as everyone is decked in blue heroic gear, you'll be fine).

This made my weekend.

It's obvious that the better gear you have, the easier the boss will be to kill. What the blue is stating is that, you don't NEED LFR loot to down a boss. The first time I downed SG I was still wearing greens and I was pulling 45k hps. I just finished Elegon and WoE last night (we are by no means a HC raiding guild) and I'm still wearing 458 pvp gloves.
If you want the boss to go down easier, you put in the extra effort to get the upgrades you can. If you are okay with a challenge, then work with what you have. Not everything is supposed to be handed out, some rewards actually require effort.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It's not that Blizzard is clueless, it's just that people don't know what they want.

[Zechs-cenarius]

I laughed at the fact they consider daily quest grinding "optional". Please do tell me where the hell I can spend my valor points if I dont have the rep from the stupid dailies.

[Paleran]

It's not that Blizzard is clueless, it's just that people don't know what they want.

People know exactly what they want - the best gear with the minimal amount of effort to get it.

What people don't know is their self serving attitude of entitlement goes both ways - you don't NEED the gear from LFR or dailies to succeed. You will have an EASIER time getting through content if you do them which directly equates to overcoming a lack of skill on the part of yourself or others in your group.

All the people pissing and moaning about HAVING to do LFR or dailies need to be a bit more introspective and ask themselves why the feel they NEED the gear. Then they need to realize that if you need every edge you can get to beat the current content, maybe you should be THANKFUL that these outlets exist for a chance at better gear. Imagine being forced to do Heroic MSV with just normal mode MSV drops? Sure, there's some that would love that opportunity that aren't in a world top 25 guild, but there's lots of us who would rather have different ways of gearing up than just bashing our heads against a boss because the healer can't learn to stay out of the fire.

---------- Post added 2012-11-05 at 06:25 PM ----------

I laughed at the fact they consider daily quest grinding "optional". Please do tell me where the hell I can spend my valor points if I dont have the rep from the stupid dailies.

5.1 adds the ability to upgrade gear:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...sts-MMO-Report

[Zechs-cenarius]

People know exactly what they want - the best gear with the minimal amount of effort to get it.

What people don't know is their self serving attitude of entitlement goes both ways - you don't NEED the gear from LFR or dailies to succeed. You will have an EASIER time getting through content if you do them which directly equates to overcoming a lack of skill on the part of yourself or others in your group.

All the people pissing and moaning about HAVING to do LFR or dailies need to be a bit more introspective and ask themselves why the feel they NEED the gear. Then they need to realize that if you need every edge you can get to beat the current content, maybe you should be THANKFUL that these outlets exist for a chance at better gear. Imagine being forced to do Heroic MSV with just normal mode MSV drops? Sure, there's some that would love that opportunity that aren't in a world top 25 guild, but there's lots of us who would rather have different ways of gearing up than just bashing our heads against a boss because the healer can't learn to stay out of the fire.

---------- Post added 2012-11-05 at 06:25 PM ----------



5.1 adds the ability to upgrade gear:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...sts-MMO-Report

Does not change the fact it is happening now. We have no ETA on 5.1 for as we all know it can come out long after the items are no longer "current content". Another oversight that makes me feel that blizzard has a team of 10 people and they throw all their ideas into a hat and choose one from the pile.

[Royalite]

Just seems like people are to used to 35% dmg buff that was in DS and expect things to roll over by ignoring the majority of mechanics and out gearing content.

I have been raiding in dungeon blues and the majority of problem raiding with PUGs is the raid not paying attention to mechanics. I bet the majority of raiders don't even understand the overload and petrification from Stone Gaurds. As a healer I see so many raiders in normals just standing in ice traps and pools and then thinking I'm bad when I oom half way through the fight. If they didn't take so much avoidable dmg, it would be a different story. Skill is huge but so many are forgetting that after a year of outgearing.

[Granyala]

Just seems like people are to used to 35% dmg buff that was in DS and expect things to roll over by ignoring the majority of mechanics and out gearing content.

QFT.

Seriously, Normal DS was way too easy even w/o buff.

[Appletini]

I don't get the LFR complaints from Normal/Heroic raiders. A Normal/Heroic raid group (even a 10-man) could queue LFR together and bang it out in under two hours. If it's worth doing, they'd do it. It would be a walk in the park. So the complaint seems to be that they don't want to spend the extra 1-2 hours farming LFR. Sorry if I don't cry a river for them. I guess I come from an age where you had to run entire old raids every week rather than just an hour or two in LFR.

[Magemaer]

"After 2 weeks of raiding, we haven't killed the Stone Guards yet. This is not a problem in tanking position, low dps or bad healing. Its a gear only problem."

lol.
Obviously not skill related. Obviously.

[dfjdejulio]

I think finding a guild with people you like will have a lot of other benefits, to be honest.

Perhaps so! But for some of us, those benefits are unlikely to ever come close to the costs involved.

[nekobaka]

People know exactly what they want - the best gear with the minimal amount of effort to get it.

What people don't know is their self serving attitude of entitlement goes both ways - you don't NEED the gear from LFR or dailies to succeed. You will have an EASIER time getting through content if you do them which directly equates to overcoming a lack of skill on the part of yourself or others in your group.

Blizzard catered to this mentality by throwing gear rewards at players in Cata and then nerfing raids heavily and saying it is okay to not L2P, here is more gear and nerfs to help you overcome your unwillingness to not L2P. Now MoP comes out and the developers are telling players they suck and need to L2P and stop using gear to overcome skill issues, and they are going to cut back on the gear that was tossed at players who have less time on their hands to help them make content easier.

The players in Cata that told others it was an L2P issue and then got called hardcore elitists and told to sit in a corner by CMs. Now in MoP the CMs are saying the same things that those who got branded as "hard core elitists" except they are getting praised by the community.

[Ardolas]

hm.. don't understand about "new" items, which added to Klaxxi and August Celestial
now we have feet on hit/crit from celestial, 489 ilvl - Void Flame Slippers
then in 5.1 we would get another feet on hit/crit from celestian, 496 ilvl - Beach-Born Sandals
those boots are same, but id would be another.. question => if i buy 489 now, it ups in 5.1 to 496, or not?)

[risingforce]

It's obvious that the better gear you have, the easier the boss will be to kill. What the blue is stating is that, you don't NEED LFR loot to down a boss. The first time I downed SG I was still wearing greens and I was pulling 45k hps. I just finished Elegon and WoE last night (we are by no means a HC raiding guild) and I'm still wearing 458 pvp gloves.
If you want the boss to go down easier, you put in the extra effort to get the upgrades you can. If you are okay with a challenge, then work with what you have. Not everything is supposed to be handed out, some rewards actually require effort.

To all of the LFR whiners: QFT !

Well said, Ceresc.

[StreakFreakZ]

New to the board here.. Hope to get some nice discussions going!