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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Not making it instanced is perfect design.

    Because this way:
    A) It'll feel like a fight club where you'll be the center of attention when doing your challenging solo-content. The place will feel active and lively.
    B) It's a very organic and natural way to allow people to learn from eachother. (Some people having trouble with a certain boss? Just watch others do it and learn, no need to go youtube it either).
    C) The community has been complaining about too much instanced and phased content for a long time. This way there'll be a small return to giving realm communities attention and a natural place for social interaction with strangers.
    Your opinion, I'm convinced that having a non instanced solo feature in a server with thousands of people is plainly retarded.
    A) Having to wait for hours watching others hardly feels like being part of the Fight Club movie
    B) I have Youtube for that and expect that most people dont care about watching perfect strangers fighting or being trolled by trade trolls if fighting themselves
    C) There's already plenty of open world content in this patch, and this feature screams about instancing. I honestly think it's one of the worst ideas Blizzard has ever had in WoW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    It's not really gating content. It's a trial of who will be the next WoW "whales" (what they call in the industry those who splurge on IM goods).

    Those gold numbers will be replaced with credits you see in your WoW account management.

    Baby steps, but it's coming.
    I'm glad to see that they are people like you who foresee what it's coming and not just choose to be for or against an individual feature Blizzard releasing just for the sake of argument.
    BMAH will eventually ruin the game sooner or later.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Keosen View Post
    Because obviously(now) Blizzard is related to gold selling activities, that's the purpose of BRMAH after all, although i don't have any clue any i could probably be wrong i really can't think of anything else.
    There are hundreds of non-gold-related ways to reduce the initial influx of players varying from easy to very hard, if this was the real problem.

    And mark my words, bookmark them actually,save the below quote, screenshot it,.


    The cow must be milked, D3 was a success since gamers are naive enough to pay money for items so this model must me embedded in WoW too, in a slow., controlled and stealthy way.
    this is definitely a problem. they are testing the waters, as they have done with d3. no tinfoil hat here, why else would they pick gold as the method and not an in-game achievement or task?

    even IF they wanted to control admission, there are countless other ways other than buying an item with gold. since the theme is soloing content, or doing a personal hardmode encounter, why not require something very difficult to gain entry? even if you couldnt do it due to gear/ability, there would be the invites as they plan to have now.

    I still think BMAH should have been limited to vanity items, and not have 503 gear. but in this case, gold buys you faster content. which isnt good, imo. it would be like selling admission fees to molten front, or the argent tournament, or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moradim View Post
    the items on the BMAH are the gold sink, CONTENT shouldnt be a gold sink, it should be accessible to everyone.

    this is like skipping all mop reps to exalted, for gold. not fair to those of us who arent gold capped yet.
    Not fair to those who arent gold capped yet? Im sorry, but gold cap sure as hell doesnt happen by default. It takes time, patience and work. Why shouldnt one part of the game aka Auction Housing and Farming actually provide something more than 'WOOO I CAN BY ANY ITEM DAY 1' and instead provide something thats actually content for those that felt the need to work even when not raiding/pvping.

    Also, they said they would ramp it up, so why are you all so bothered you cant view and beat content on day one that its out, wheres your delayed gratification.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenaw View Post
    I personally plan on buying thousands of the rotten fruit in hopes I will ruin peoples attempts until I can get in myself, so I don't care.
    Nice mature attitude

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Frizzlewits View Post
    i surely hope not this will happen.

    i am 1 of those many ppl who r not doing those silly stupid boring shit crap daily quests that i hate soo much after doing 3 xpacks with daily shit quests, that made me promise myself to never do any daily shit grind again. its plain boring.
    nothing hard about it. it is just a grind every single day.

    this brawlers guild thing is 1 of the things i am looking farward to it, and willing to spend gold on it. even if it will cost me 10k+ ill get 1 asap
    i like the way blizz is doing right now. yes it cost gold, but gold is very easy to get.
    10k plus? Try 100k plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatcrazypenguin View Post
    that depends how you define effort, people should not be punished for having a busy real life.
    Players who put less time into the game shouldn't be awarded the same as someone who puts more time into the game.

    If I work for AT&T 8 hours a day taking phone calls, and some scumbag works 4 hours a day taking less phone calls, he shouldn't be getting paid the same as me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moradim View Post
    I still think BMAH should have been limited to vanity items, and not have 503 gear. but in this case, gold buys you faster content. which isnt good, imo. it would be like selling admission fees to molten front, or the argent tournament, or whatever.
    Exactly.
    And the fact that the BMAH is not vanity only clearly reveals the philosophy behind it,
    and there aren't only S03 items but also raid gear that is not even available to raiders yet like HC items from raids whose normal mode is not opened yet /facepalm.

    Aren't people seeing that BMAH it's a pay2win model in early stages?
    Last edited by Keosen; 2012-11-06 at 12:14 PM.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    It's not really gating content. It's a trial of who will be the next WoW "whales" (what they call in the industry those who splurge on IM goods).

    Those gold numbers will be replaced with credits you see in your WoW account management.

    Baby steps, but it's coming.
    They lifted the term whale from the gambling community where it has been used for decades. "a gambler who has the capacity to win and lose large sums of money in a casino".

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Moradim View Post
    I agree, but this would be like making sinestra spawn, by putting 1000000 gold into a dragon shaped piggybank.

    nothing here is earned/progressed towards, its just gold.
    No, that would be like making Sinestra piss easy and the only way to get her loot or achievement for killing her is to put 1,000,000 in a dragon shaped piggy bank.

    Sinestra was so hard that you didn't need to gate the content. Brawler's guild is 1v1 content so it won't be nearly as challenging as the hardest raid boss in Cataclysm.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonk View Post
    From a tank that likes to solo old raid bosses, (even if i have to go ret for the occasional one), I really really want into the brawlers guild. However if I don't get in on day 1 I'm not going to be upset. 5.1 is bring lots of changes. I might actually start doing some dailies on some of my alts. I'll start grinding the new reps etc.

    Would I love to be the first player on the realm to get the achieves.... sure I would, but even if i got the first invite from the BMAH, I doubt i'll have the time to chain queue to get that realm first anyway. So lets look at how long it'll take to get in.

    Day 1 - 10 on the BMAH - lets say i'm priced out so don't get these.
    Day 2 - 10 more on the BMAH and 0-10 players that got one on day 1 selling 0-10 each for gold in /trade
    Day 3 - 10 more on the BMAH and 0-110 players that got one on day 1or 2 selling 0-10 each for gold in /trade
    Day 4 - 10 more on the BMAH and 0-1110 players that got one on day 1-3 selling 0-10 each for gold in /trade
    etc.

    Even if people try to be tight, these things will leak out. I reckon a couple weeks tops for the price of a ticket in trade to be in the hundreds of gold at most.

    Now it's possible of course that on some servers one guild *might* try and get all the tickets for a while. And this might delay the whole process for a few days.

    Yes days - How long will be be in a single guilds interest to spend 10s or 100s of thousands of gold to keep these away from the general realm populace - especially when they could and probably will ensure everyone in their guild gets one in hte first day or 3?

    So am I slighty frustrated that I probably won't get one of these day 1? Sure I am, but nothing more than slightly frustrated. I'm sure I'll get one within a week or two, and won't be paying very much for it either.

    So unless you think everything in life should be easy for everyone to get day one every time... I suggest you sit back, chill a little, and wait the few days until these things are cheap..

    If on the other hand you really really really want the realm first... Well then the price of that is spending a load on the BMAH, and a good solid grind through the ranks - Good luck to you. If you're that person, then I suspect you may even see this route that Blizzard are taking as a good thing since it will reduce your competition on day 1.
    nice sum up, people getting worked out and angry over nothing, the whole thing will blow out in 2 weeks max.
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  11. #51
    People complain about not wanting to do dailies to unlock content/gear and that there are no other ways to obtain it. Now the requirement is gold, which you can obtain in so many ways, and people complain.

    It doesn't really matter what artificial barrier they put in place people will complain. And there has to be a barrier or there will be a queue of thousands of people on release day to fight those mobs.
    If there were no artificial barriers many people will quit playing very soon because they finished everything.

    Let's keep buying gold out of the picture (although if you are willing to spend that much money for an invite...). If someone put the time into gathering so much gold that they can bid 999,999 on an invite then I really think they deserve to get it. I really don't see the problem here. It's the same with every other artificial barrier you can come up with. Raid accomplishments or challenge mode scores are actually worse. Gold is much more accessible than either one of those.
    You can argue someone can keep people from getting in by buying all the invites. Simple solution, you can only have one invite ever.
    They also, if you look on the frontpage, announced you will be able to get in at some point. They just want to ramp it up so not everyone and his/her grandma is queueing for those fights on day 1. I don't see the problem, you wait a couple of weeks and you are in, or are you really this impatient? People are even quitting over this. If that's the case you should really reevaluate why you are playing WoW and it's probably a good thing you are quitting.

    I don't have the gold to get it. I don't even think it's worth spending my gold on. I still want to see it but I am not freaking out because I can't do it on day 1.

    Is it the best way? Probably not but it's good enough. If you are seriously this desperate to get in then buy gold or whatever, if you really can't wait a few weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    Essentially what this comes down too.

    But more than likely Blizzard is looking to see if RMT can work in WoW. Using ingame gold is the first step. Blizzard has learned after the RealID fiasco to do things in baby steps as it's below the radar. This black market only exists for this reason, because RMT items will have similar price tags. Ties into the DiabloIII market, too.

    All in tiny steps, but all coming to you.
    Using gold to access a feature in order to slow down the surge of players due to it not being instanced or phased. Yep, definitely a step towards buying Heroic trinkets for only 14,99$

    Nope, won't happen in WoW. Different game.
    But these conspiracy theories are kinda cute, I admit. I wonder, with That Retarded Horse™ being sold for money three years ago, why aren't I able to buy full heroic set items yet ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    People complain about not wanting to do dailies to unlock content/gear and that there are no other ways to obtain it. Now the requirement is gold, which you can obtain in so many ways, and people complain.

    It doesn't really matter what artificial barrier they put in place people will complain. And there has to be a barrier or there will be a queue of thousands of people on release day to fight those mobs.
    If there were no artificial barriers many people will quit playing very soon because they finished everything.

    Let's keep buying gold out of the picture (although if you are willing to spend that much money for an invite...). If someone put the time into gathering so much gold that they can bid 999,999 on an invite then I really think they deserve to get it. I really don't see the problem here. It's the same with every other artificial barrier you can come up with. Raid accomplishments or challenge mode scores are actually worse. Gold is much more accessible than either one of those.
    You can argue someone can keep people from getting in by buying all the invites. Simple solution, you can only have one invite ever.
    They also, if you look on the frontpage, announced you will be able to get in at some point. They just want to ramp it up so not everyone and his/her grandma is queueing for those fights on day 1. I don't see the problem, you wait a couple of weeks and you are in, or are you really this impatient? People are even quitting over this. If that's the case you should really reevaluate why you are playing WoW and it's probably a good thing you are quitting.

    I don't have the gold to get it. I don't even think it's worth spending my gold on. I still want to see it but I am not freaking out because I can't do it on day 1.

    Is it the best way? Probably not but it's good enough. If you are seriously this desperate to get in then buy gold or whatever, if you really can't wait a few weeks...
    even if I can afford a day 1 invite (and I cant, im not gold capped), I shouldnt have to pay GOLD to do new content. make me earn my right to get in, by doing something in-game, and not something in an auction house.

    yes, invites will spread eventually, but the first few to acquire one...they arent going to pass them out for free, unless it's to a guildy. otherwise, they will go to the highest bidder in trade chat. it wont be a long-term problem, but for the first week or two, these invites will have their own market. and that guy in trade chat who buys an invite and gets the right to invite someone else...dont you think they are going to try and recoup some of their gold spent by selling it to someone else?

    there are two scenarios: one guild acquires them all, or one individual who sells to randoms. no matter the case, these invites WILL be sold. and it will take a while until we get to the point where invites are only a few hundred gold, or free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    why aren't I able to buy full heroic set items yet ?
    You can buy non-set HC items that aren't available to anyone yet, how far do you think buying items sets is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keosen View Post
    You can buy non-set HC items that aren't available to anyone yet, how far do you think buying items sets is?
    I was talking about the Blizzard Store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    Let's keep buying gold out of the picture (although if you are willing to spend that much money for an invite...).
    You can't.

    This event is the very reason why gold sellers exist. But it's not the reason why this event is occurring.

    It's RMT.

    If folks are arguing now about access and more, wait until RMT comes, the have and have not infighting will be turned up to 10+, when adults with plastic will become the uber elites. Blizzard would make a killing keeping "whales" happy.

    If Blizzard can get away with a sub+RMT (like SOE does with EQ2), they will be sitting on a gold mine.

    You KNOW it's coming, just check your account management -- you don't need credits for subs, afterall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    I was talking about the Blizzard Store.
    BMAH is an early step towards in-game Blizzard Store.

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    Because the one in charge of the project of doing a fight club resemblance in Blizzard had no clue what the Fight Club was about and how they felt proud of having nothing to do with money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galbrei View Post
    I'm more curious about how does a player invite another player. If I buy a ticket can I go around inviting people freely? Do either of us have to do anything else other than just say "come along buddy"?
    Yeah, if it's your first time... you have to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    Because the one in charge of the project of doing a fight club resemblance in Blizzard had no clue what the Fight Club was about and how they felt proud of having nothing to do with money.
    It's probably's Blizzard's version of pay-for-view.

    Personally, I don't think that will fly due to how the classes are set up. Unless you go in and any class becomes some instant warrior (one class design deal). Otherwise, Blizzard will have to accommodate all sub-classes, and I doubt there will be many wanting to see a Holy paladin down a 10 million HP boss, with the mechanics that tanks and DPS demand.

    Afterall, it's about bringing the player, not the class...right?
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