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  1. #561
    Blizzard probs nerfed 10 mans so paragon could catch up from what it looks like.

  2. #562
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    Blizzard probs nerfed 10 mans so paragon could catch up from what it looks like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    amber shaper is vastly harder in 10man heroic than in 25man heroic. The people with Amber Globules make up 20% of your raid constantly, while in 25man it is less than 10%. In its current state the DPS requirements in 10man are MUCH much harder in 10man.
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    Damn casuals and their vending machines. Back in my day, We had to go all the way from Orgrimmar to Desolace to pick up chips from the store. we had to do an extensive attunement quest to get into the store and we had to assemble 39 other people to fight the many other trash mobs, i mean trash food, to get to the chip isle. Oh and most of us couldn't even afford our epic car mount to drive there, we had to settle for our 60% bike mounts.

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    No. they made it so 10man would be possible. Reshape Life is cast with the same frequency on both 25man and 10man. Also the cooldown of Amber Strike is the same. What the hotfix did was increase the melee damage of the constructs so that damage did not go terribly low by the end of the fight, because most of the players were constructs doing 50k dps and putting stacks on boss that noone could really utilize. On 25man once you got to P3 it was a guaranteed kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vereesà View Post
    For the record, he didn't switch to that setup until HoF progression started. If I'm not completely mistaken, he was expertise softcapped and stacking mastery prior to that.
    Probably because mastery scales better at lower gear levels.

    His gearing is pretty standard tbh, nothing special.

  5. #565
    Quote Originally Posted by Potentio View Post
    No. they made it so 10man would be possible. Reshape Life is cast with the same frequency on both 25man and 10man. Also the cooldown of Amber Strike is the same. What the hotfix did was increase the melee damage of the constructs so that damage did not go terribly low by the end of the fight, because most of the players were constructs doing 50k dps and putting stacks on boss that noone could really utilize. On 25man once you got to P3 it was a guaranteed kill.
    A boss is easier on 10 man than 25 man? NP leave it how it is.

    Other way round? NERF IT TO THE GROUND.

  6. #566
    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    A boss is easier on 10 man than 25 man? NP leave it how it is.

    Other way round? NERF IT TO THE GROUND.
    Get over yourself, there's a difference between harder and unkillable. The boss was doing things at the same rate as 25man, clearly there is something wrong with that.

  7. #567
    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    A boss is easier on 10 man than 25 man? NP leave it how it is.

    Other way round? NERF IT TO THE GROUND.
    Are you actually brain dead? Im legitimately curious and worried for your well being. Try not to cross the street without an adult anytime soon.

    There is a vast difference between a nerf and a fix. This was a fix that fixed a mechanic working the same as 25man with only 10 players. That is not "Heroic". That is broken. The only way that they could have made it even without touching 10man, would be to double the amount of transformations that happened in 25man. Which, again, would have made the fight impossible. This was not a nerf. It was a fix to a broken mechanic. Just like the first boss.

    Seriously. Every single person who talks about shit they know nothing about should be instantly IP banned from these forums. Its complete and utter bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    A boss is easier on 10 man than 25 man? NP leave it how it is.

    Other way round? NERF IT TO THE GROUND.
    Correction: Fix it to the ground. You could google the definition, but you'd probably rage because it's easier than looking it up in a dictionary.

  9. #569
    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    Are you actually brain dead? Im legitimately curious and worried for your well being. Try not to cross the street without an adult anytime soon.

    There is a vast difference between a nerf and a fix. This was a fix that fixed a mechanic working the same as 25man with only 10 players. That is not "Heroic". That is broken. The only way that they could have made it even without touching 10man, would be to double the amount of transformations that happened in 25man. Which, again, would have made the fight impossible. This was not a nerf. It was a fix to a broken mechanic. Just like the first boss.

    Seriously. Every single person who talks about shit they know nothing about should be instantly IP banned from these forums. Its complete and utter bullshit.
    Have you experienced it yourself? No

    Therefore stop defending paragons dodgy actions.

  10. #570
    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    Have you experienced it yourself? No

    Therefore stop defending paragons dodgy actions.
    Im actually quite impressed you managed to turn your computer on today. Im finished with you and your complete ignorance.

  11. #571
    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    Have you experienced it yourself? No

    Therefore stop defending paragons dodgy actions.
    Let's see you do Heroic Ultraxion without DS-zone-buff with having 5 people get the debuff in 10m at once.

    There is a clear distinction between: Broken and Hard, Broken means that the boss is either very very very easy or unkillable, Hard means that those players need to L2P, get better gear or use a different strategy.

  12. #572
    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    Have you experienced it yourself? No

    Therefore stop defending paragons dodgy actions.
    Is this guy for real? Can you actually be that thick?
    Your persistence of vision does not come without great sacrifice. Let go of the tangible mass of your mind, it is only an illusion. There is no escape.. For the soul burns on everlasting encapsulated within infinite time. A thousand year journey at the blink of an eye... Humanity is dust..

  13. #573
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakna View Post
    Is this guy for real? Can you actually be that thick?
    Do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a moron?

  14. #574
    IMO it is really interesting to see if Empress will be killed first by the best 25M EU guild, the best 25M US guild, or the best 10M guild.

    However, all this blind favoritism/hatred for 10m/25m is so pathetic. Seriously, there is like one 10 man guild working on heroic amber shaper (Paragon), and Blizzard hotfixes the boss.... and you assume that clearly it is cause the boss was too hard, and had nothing to do with the boss being broken......... This isn't your average guild wiping on it and saying it is incredibly difficult on 10 man, it is the best 10 man guild in the world.

    People are so terrified that if somehow Paragon clears 10 man HoF first then their entire world shatters....... if Paragon clears 10 man first doesnt that just prove that HoF was easier on 10 man, and that 25 man truly is the harder difficulty? If you have 10 amazing players who can kill a boss in 5 hours, and you have 25 equally amazing players who need 10 hours on the same boss, one can assume that in general the 25 man difficulty was harder.... and isn't that what all 25 man guilds want?

    God, you come to the forums only to see 25 man guilds whine about how they are the only true difficulty in this game, and then when their difficulty is actually harder than 10 man they whine about it...... don't you want 10 man to be easier so that it proves that 25 man is the true difficulty??????????

    FFS, either way Paragon/Method/BL/Vodka/(insert top world guild here) are amazing guilds with amazing players and dedication, and all you care about is yourself and making sure you play the game the way on the "correct" or "better" difficulty (whatever that even means).

    Just accept the fact that it is impossible to balance both 10 and 25 man, and that some fights will be harder than others, and that Blizzard does a piss poor job of actually testing these fights themselves and some bosses will be extremely buggy on certain difficulties and will need FIXES (not nerfs) before they are killed, and other fights will need NERFS (Vizier) before it is killed.

  15. #575
    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    Im actually quite impressed you managed to turn your computer on today. Im finished with you and your complete ignorance.
    Im quite impressed how little raiding experience you have yet you feel you are a expert at bosses.

  16. #576
    Quote Originally Posted by steveyboy View Post
    Im quite impressed how little raiding experience you have yet you feel you are a expert at bosses.
    You assume Im in only one guild. Thats cute :]

  17. #577
    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    You assume Im in only one guild. Thats cute :]

    Provide proof then to your other guild? If you were in a guild worth mentioning I would assume it would be in your sig instead of that guild you have in your sig atm. how cute.
    Last edited by steveyboy; 2012-11-10 at 02:54 AM.

  18. #578
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    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    You assume Im in only one guild. Thats cute :]
    Well the assumption is easy to make when it's written in your signature

  19. #579
    One guild I run. One I do not. I advertise for the guild I run.

  20. #580
    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    One guild I run. One I do not. I advertise for the guild I run.

    Keep digging yourself a hole mate. I bet you haven't even killed stone dogs normal mode.

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