Is America in Trouble?

[Wildtree]

There's one way to "fix" the Electoral College. And that's what only 2 states do currently. One is Nebraska, the other one, I can't remember now.
Split the votes. Obama managed to snatch 1 electoral vote from Nebraska's 3 votes in 2008. If all states would split according to the voting results, the system would be fairer. Not ideal, but fairer.

[Tinykong]

There's one way to "fix" the Electoral College. And that's what only 2 states do currently. One is Nebraska, the other one, I can't remember now.
Split the votes. Obama managed to snatch 1 electoral vote from Nebraska's 3 votes in 2008. If all states would split according to the voting results, the system would be fairer. Not ideal, but fairer.

Or we could just do away with it, and have a popular vote.

[SirRobin]

Or we could just do away with it, and have a popular vote.

Would be the better way of handling it but I personally doubt we'll see it happen. The "biopoly" has too much invested in the electoral system.

---------- Post added 2012-11-09 at 05:00 PM ----------

I know exactly what you mean. Next city to me is Omaha, Nebraska. Nebraska is about as red as it possibly gets. If you favor anyone else, you are basically screwed.

Move to Council Bluffs... Worked for me.

[alturic]

I haven't even read the OP but when the president says "we are not as divided as our politics make it seem", you can CLEARLY tell the guy is not too smart with numbers. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure a 50/50 split popular vote is about as divided as it can be.

The guys plan (the original intent) for Obamacare was single-payer, "free" (as in taxes paid by those who actually can afford to have insurance) healthcare for all. It was vehemently denied as needing to raise taxes to support that. There is NO WAY from a simple math standpoint that adding 15% (yea guys, let's be grown-ups and admit the U6 number is the "real" number and not using the U3 for political spin number) of americans who contribute nothing won't cost the country money in terms of healthcare costs to cover those 15%.

I don't like Obama, primarily because the guys thinks you can spend money that you don't have to provide things that will get him free votes. Wait, they aren't even free votes, they are costing us money.

I don't want to turn this into a debate, the bolded part is the important part in this.

[Deleted]

Only way were in trouble is if we go to war again. We just don't have the money for that.

Yeh the problem is convincing your allies.

[SirRobin]

I haven't even read the OP but when the president says "we are not as divided as our politics make it seem", you can CLEARLY tell the guy is not too smart with numbers. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure a 50/50 split popular vote is about as divided as it can be.

Well... When only about half the country cares enough to vote at all? We are not actually as divided as our politics make it seem. We are, in fact, UNITED! In apathy.

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Again, let's go off the fiscal cliff! The entitlement programs are excluded and taxes get raised. Outside of some short term pain, there really isn't any apocalyptic downside here. We return a balanced budget and it forces the republicans to the table. Short term pain, long term gain.

[alucardtnuoc]

When isn't america in some sort of trouble.... regardless of who is elected....

[smelltheglove]

American politics:

Republicans like pie.
Democrats like pie too.
Suddenly Republicans hate pie.

well, duh, pie has a clear liberal bias. in fact, id go so far as to say pie is socialist, nay COMMUNIST!

[artemishunter1]

If Republicans drummed up some media nonesense about a mosque or the debt ceiling, just go to work and get shit done anyway? A single party controlled congress that doesn't get anything done can only blame the party with control. They had carte blanche to do whatever reforms and changes they wanted to, and failed. They even had the support of the public, Obama was swept into office with huge margins and everyone was fired up. Yet, all they managed to put out was a neutered health reform bill written for and by the insurance industry? Give me a break.

To be fair, democrate had control for 7 months. Midterm election, changed power balance. In those 7 months, two of the senators were fighting election dispute i believe (i read this on the internet), and Ted Kennedy died.

And President Obama was too idealistic at the beginning. He sincerely tried to work with the Republican side. Remember the dinner, where Fox nation reporters were saying its a trap, don't go. Turns out it was simply a polite discussion. And he did get things done, that were not publized much, Stimulus Package comes to mind, and Lily Ledbacker law as well

[Reeve]

I live in Maryland, look at these historical voting results: (
Listed as Democrat/Republican)



2012: 61/36 2008: 62/37 2004: 56/43 2000: 57/40 1996: 54/38

See where this is going? Unless you're voting Democrat in this state, your vote is wasted by the electoral college. Same with lots of other states. Democrat voting in Texas? Wasted. Republican in NY/CA? Wasted. An independant isn't going to win in a general election without MASSIVE, and I mean massive support from 60-70 million voters. It just simply won't happen.

I'm a democrat in Texas. Aside from state, local, and convressionL races, which democrats can and do win here, I felt my vote as a democrat in Texas was useful because it brings the state one vote closer to being a swing state next election, or even 20 years from now. Margin of victory is as important as the victory itself for maintaining or changing the status quo in the future.