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    Quote Originally Posted by bajskorv View Post
    You didn't need to max out rep to get into heroics and you didn't need to farm the heroics to do the key quests. It's simply false.
    It is indeed simply false and it's a shock to see how ignorant people are about TBC. You didn't need to have every heroic dungeon key to get into the raids. We got into karazhan far before that point (in fact in blues and greens in many instances) as the heroic dungeons required revered at the start and the crafted gear filled a few slots early. Yet they protest in this ignorance that MoP is tbc like when it couldn't be further from the fucking truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    and the HAPPY people that ARE subbed aren't living in the forums to counter your attacks, they are actually playing.... btw... are you still subbed? if not then pray tell why are you stalking your ex-game?
    Oh really? they aren't? I guess your not happy with them game then? How absurd are you people. Can you not see the fucking forest for the trees? WEREN'T ALL THESE SAME ARGUMENTS MADE FOR CATACLYSM?
    Last edited by Glorious Leader; 2012-11-08 at 01:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    People that qq about the game being shit/bad/etc... are the ones that AREN'T playing

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    Are weak people that can't even quit a game they dislike - which is sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Repeating your signature is got old ages ago. Don't you have anything else to say except "unsub"?
    No they don't. But that's okay when the changes come and the game is made better again or improved upon they will still be defending Blizzard. They don't actually care other than to argue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by ZenX View Post
    Yet in both cases, you could not really "successfully" raid without doing so in TBC whereas you can now in MoP.
    Karazhan quest-chain could be done on normal (read - don't need to do heroics for entry raid content at all). Gruul and Maggy had no attunement. T5, which would crash you if you would skip t4, required Slave Pens hc, with Cenarion rep being very easy to get to revered in one day especially with armaments hand-ins, and Arcatraz hc, with their rep being easily "reverable" by running Botanica normal in 1 day. That's even if you didn't do much quests or instances during leveling. A lot of quests were awarding this or other rep, so hitting honored was trivial. And if you did instances during leveling, you were having revered as almost granted.

    Few more words about dailies: some roles aren't really viable to do them. More on dailies subject would derail this thread too far again.
    Last edited by Ferocity; 2012-11-08 at 01:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Repeating your signature is got old ages ago. Don't you have anything else to say except "unsub"?
    Yes... I'd like to see the verifiable proof of your claims, not ancedotal evidence, but REAL evidence.... and I DO find it utterly comical that those that are unsubbed are continuing some vendetta against their ex. Whats wrong? are you just THAT unhappy that folks are still enjoying the game and not really interested in your rage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Here I was thinking dailies were optional. Your whole speech aside it still doesn't change the overall fact that this expansion IS NOTHING LIKE THE BURNING CRUSADE AT ALL. Doing dungeons for rep and gear, "double dipping" in other words made the rep grinding process less painful than it is now. Much less.
    I may have forgotten to add "in the least painful way" at the end of it.

    Still, WoW is an MMO; it as optional and mandatory as you want it to be translating into the "time you want to spend on it". If you are a bleeding edge raider with some bad luck then Klaxxi and Golden Lotus exalted rep is mandatory for you to balance your VP to not get the neck from QM and get your second ring from along with the neck as quest rewards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    It is indeed simply false and it's a shock to see how ignorant people are about TBC. You didn't need to have every heroic dungeon key to get into the raids. We got into karazhan far before that point (in fact in blues and greens in many instances) as the heroic dungeons required revered at the start and the crafted gear filled a few slots early. Yet they protest in this ignorance that MoP is tbc like when it couldn't be further from the fucking truth.

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    Oh really? they aren't? I guess your not happy with them game then? How absurd are you people. Can you not see the fucking forest for the trees? WEREN'T ALL THESE SAME ARGUMENTS MADE FOR CATACLYSM?
    you see.. I have multiple screens... I can play Wow at the same time as I sit and laugh at your tantrum... I would so desperately love to tell you what I truly think, however, I'm quite mindful of the forum rules. Truth is, I'm having a wonderful time in Wow... been playing all night and laughing at the forum tantrums...

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  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by ZenX View Post
    A single run of Hellfire Ramparts, Blood Furnace and Shattered Halls rewarded you a total of ~2.8k rep on normal and even if you had done normal quests tied to Honor Hold/Thrallmar to make it to Honored, it did require you to complete this trio approximately four times to get to the revered. That is 12 dungeon runs you need to complete to access their HCs.
    Except you could buy the keys for heroic at Honored not Revered.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZenX View Post
    Then you needed to repeat this for:
    Coilfang series (3 Dungeons)
    Auchiondun series (4 Dungeons)
    Keepers of Time series (2 Dungeons)
    Eye series (3 Dungeons)
    Fixed that for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZenX View Post
    It was a grind so are the dailies that consume much much less time.

    The only difference is in those dungeons you needed a group to carry your weight as well while with dailies it is all you making it much more accesible.

    What I would want to see would be to tie both together as how LFD now removes the main hassle back then for doing those dungeons.

    You may dismiss the daily grind as being probably trivial, however, it is not the FoM for the difficulty of content, it is only the key portion of the end-game.
    Single player content shouldn't reward raid quality gear. The dailies are long and boring, but they are not challenging and do not warrant a epic raid quality reward. Valor needs to be limited to Latest raid and 1/day random hc dungeons. Group PvE content should reward raid gear/rep/etc

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Except you could buy the keys for heroic at Honored not Revered.
    It was changed later in TBC. But keys for Honored were meaning that you didn't even had to run almost any dungeons except CoT at all due to quests awarding rep. Still Revered wasn't hard to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenX View Post
    I may have forgotten to add "in the least painful way" at the end of it.

    Still, WoW is an MMO; it as optional and mandatory as you want it to be translating into the "time you want to spend on it". If you are a bleeding edge raider with some bad luck then Klaxxi and Golden Lotus exalted rep is mandatory for you to balance your VP to not get the neck from QM and get your second ring from along with the neck as quest rewards.
    Telling people something is optional is no excuse for it being poorly done. The simple fact is that reputation granting through dungeons has worked THROUGHOUT THIS GAMES ENTIRE HISTORY and is not currently working for many of us in MoP. Saying this game is like TBC is just flat out FALSE. I know you guys want to think that because MoP was supposed to revive the game after cataclysm but at this point cataclysm is a better game. The simple truth is that being bored of the content is more or less the same even if it results from two different things. In the case of cata it was lack of in the case of mists it's quality of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocity View Post
    It was changed later in TBC. But keys for Honored were meaning that you didn't even had to run almost any dungeons except CoT at all due to quests awarding rep. Still Revered wasn't hard to get.
    Especially with the turn ins. Coilfang armaments and such. I did it on 3 toons actually at revered and it was sooooo much less painless than it is now. Primarily because dungeons were granting me gear and rep. It made dungeon content really rewarding and the grind much less grind like. Now to get rep I have to go out of my way to do this mind numbing tedious buillshit I hate doing and it's limited to once a day by and large and it's gets me no immediate gain like actual loot so it just feels like this big drawn out affair. Double Dipping is the best thing this game ever did and has always done to one extent or another.
    Last edited by Glorious Leader; 2012-11-08 at 01:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Telling people something is optional is no excuse for it being poorly done. The simple fact is that reputation granting through dungeons has worked THROUGHOUT THIS GAMES ENTIRE HISTORY and is not currently working for many of us in MoP. Saying this game is like TBC is just flat out FALSE. I know you guys want to think that because MoP was supposed to revive the game after cataclysm but at this point cataclysm is a better game.

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    Especially with the turn ins. Coilfang armaments and such. I did it on 3 toons actually at revered and it was sooooo much less painless than it is now. Primarily because dungeons were granting me gear and rep. It made dungeon content really rewarding and the grind much less grind like. Now to get rep I have to go out of my way to do this mind numbing tedious buillshit I hate doing and it's limited to once a day by and large and it's gets me no immediate gain like actual loot so it just feels like this big drawn out affair. Double Dipping is the best thing this game ever did and has always done to one extent or another.
    You could get rep from all 5-mans in vanilla? I thought it was only scholomance / stratholme for the Argent Dawn.

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  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    you see.. I have multiple screens... I can play Wow at the same time as I sit and laugh at your tantrum... I would so desperately love to tell you what I truly think, however, I'm quite mindful of the forum rules. Truth is, I'm having a wonderful time in Wow... been playing all night and laughing at the forum tantrums...
    Enjoy your time then while you've still got people to play with. Please don't forget to turn out the lights when you leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TobiasX View Post
    You could get rep from all 5-mans in vanilla? I thought it was only scholomance / stratholme for the Argent Dawn.
    I seem to recall getting Thorium Brotherhood rep from dungeons as well. It wasn't every 5 man though your correct. The raids also featured rep. I went back and cleared trash in ZG with another mage buddy for Bijous for turn ins at lvl 60 because I had the damn token but not the rep for the chest piece. What I said remains quite accurate though. To some degree or another in one fashion or another you got rep from dungeons IN EVERY ITERATION OF THIS GAME except for mists. One of these things is not like the other...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Except you could buy the keys for heroic at Honored not Revered.

    Fixed that for you.
    These keys are purchased from the faction quartermaster of the faction corresponding to the instance once reaching honored. At introduction the keys required revered, but this was reduced in later patches to allow easier access to the heroic modes.

    There you go :3

    now back on topic seeing Mop came out a couple of days before the end of Q3 i dont think we see much difference in sub gained or lost tbh i think we will see more difference in Q4 or Q1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    you see.. I have multiple screens... I can play Wow at the same time as I sit and laugh at your tantrum... I would so desperately love to tell you what I truly think, however, I'm quite mindful of the forum rules. Truth is, I'm having a wonderful time in Wow... been playing all night and laughing at the forum tantrums...
    Feel free to send me a message sparky. I'm glad your having a wonderful time but let's be honest if they changed wow at all, made some allowances for the current crop of legitimate grievances would it affect you? would you come on these forums screaming and yelling at blizzard? is their ANYTHING they could do to turn you away as a customer within reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  16. #196
    They're going obviously good with a lot of stuff stil coming, gaining back 900k subs was more than I personally expected.

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    As i said more than 2 months ago the real losses will show in February.

    Once people get their chars decked in LFR and are too sick of dailies on Alts the fall will be huge. We can expect some Scroll promotion tied with 5.1 around Christmas to bloat the sub figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Single player content shouldn't reward raid quality gear. The dailies are long and boring, but they are not challenging and do not warrant a epic raid quality reward. Valor needs to be limited to Latest raid and 1/day random hc dungeons. Group PvE content should reward raid gear/rep/etc
    Blizzard has disagreed with you for about 5 years now. So clearly your viewpoint doesn't mesh with the design of the game. No amount of elitist prattling will change that.

    Newsflash: doing everything in this game should reward gear. You know why? Because that is what their customers want. It doesn't have to be the same gear, or have to look the same, but purps/transmog items should be busting out of everywhere.

    This isn't the beginning of MMO development. This is a decade into being programmed that gear is the highest form of reward and thus the most satisfying to most people. Games are trending towards rewarding your account for your overall actions and not limiting you to a minute and specific set of activities. You may personally disagree, but like I said: Blizzard thinks differently. Other companies are pushing these boundaries and they are only going to get more open.

    Any MMO would be much better for it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Feel free to send me a message sparky. I'm glad your having a wonderful time but let's be honest if they changed wow at all, made some allowances for the current crop of legitimate grievances would it affect you? would you come on these forums screaming and yelling at blizzard? is their ANYTHING they could do to turn you away as a customer within reason?
    In fact, I'll share with you an email I got from Blizzard a while back,

    We are contacting you today regarding your multiple in-game ticket submissions
    to the Customer Support team over the past few months. We have noticed a
    troubling trend in these submissions, reaching a point where we must ask
    explicitly for your future compliance.

    A lot of the tickets you’ve submitted have been complaints about game design
    choices, changes or current support workflows/policies. Our Game Masters are
    here to help, but must focus on assisting players with true support needs,
    rather than respond to complaints about the decisions made by our development
    team.

    That being said, Blizzard is open to feedback on design decisions. Please post
    your suggestions or concerns about these items in the appropriate World of
    Warcraft forum on our community site:
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/

    In summary, our Game Masters will happily support you if something is preventing
    you from playing the game as it is designed. With that in mind, this pattern of
    tickets is affecting our ability to manage our ticket volume; it needs to stop.

    Please note: should you disregard this letter, the account(s) you are using will
    be temporarily suspended. Further violations will result in more severe actions
    being taken, up to and including closure of the account.

    We do not take these actions lightly and we do hope for a positive support
    relationship with you in the future. Thank you for your time.
    So, yes I have complaints, but I've learned that raging in forums doesn't do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    As i said more than 2 months ago the real losses will show in February.

    Once people get their chars decked in LFR and are too sick of dailies on Alts the fall will be huge. We can expect some Scroll promotion tied with 5.1 around Christmas to bloat the sub figures.
    Who the hell want's to just run lfr once a week though? it's so shitty to have just that as your primary pve source for gear. Putting the gear behind nothing but rep and dailies is the dumbest thing in the universe. It basically means I log in once a week for LFR and Sha and that's it. Don't have the care to pvp or the apptitude for it. Don't want to run dailies. Have the majority of crafting gear available to me and have all ilvl 463 so now what? If you stop doing dailies you start to see how sparse the progression content is in this game. It is literally do dailies or that's it for your outside of a raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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