View Poll Results: Will World of Warcraft subscribers go under 10 million this quarter or stay above?

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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    Your want is not my need and it's worthless.

    Get it yet?
    No because you don't make any sense. What do the rep grinds give you that you NEED? Do they allow you to raid end game content? Do they help you in your leveling? No they don't. They help you with an unsupported end game, yes twinking is not supported, and they help you make some money. Are these things needed? No. They're something that you chose to do.

    You're also leaving out the part that you could have had an alt do the other rep so that you wouldn't have to.

    YOU DON'T NEED TO GET BOTH REPS. Period. End of story.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-08 at 09:53 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Don't fucking bother. People like the guy your quoting are actually in reality REALLY entitled. They have all the presumption in the universe to tell you how to play and what you need and what you don't because they feel entitled to have everything and only have their way of play rewarding. Theirs no sense in talking to people like him because their view is so narrow.
    lol what? I'm not entitled at all> If anything Kevyne is the entitled one.

    I'm not telling him how to play at all. He can play anyway he wants to but I do have issue with his saying that he NEEDS to grind out two outdated reps on one character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archidamos View Post
    For the reference, MoP box sold 33k coppies between 13 and 20th of october according to Vcharts.
    True test of sustained subscriptions is after the release. It's the sustained subs that really count, as that's a population that shows interest in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasffion View Post
    lol what? I'm not entitled at all> If anything Kevyne is the entitled one.
    You're truly confused, truly. I never asked for something in a game for free. I never buy epics. And here you are spewing nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasffion View Post

    lol what? I'm not entitled at all> If anything Kevyne is the entitled one.
    No you are absolutely entitled and have the entitlement mentality because you presume to tell him and others like him how they should play the game and what they need and they don't. I just can't wait for the changes to come to this game and come soon. The handful of you who will bitch and scream will reveal yourselves to be the true entitltement generation because you can brook no changes and accept nothing different because you have to have it your way. The rest of you will naturally just shift your positions along with Blizzards purely in line with the status quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    No you are absolutely entitled and have the entitlement mentality because you presume to tell him and others like him how they should play the game and what they need and they don't. I just can't wait for the changes to come to this game and come soon. The handful of you who will bitch and scream will reveal yourselves to be the true entitltement generation because you can brook no changes and accept nothing different because you have to have it your way. The rest of you will naturally just shift your positions along with Blizzards purely in line with the status quo.
    That might be considered arrogance but not entitlement. You should probably go look up what that word means. People throw it around a lot so you probably think you do but if you think my telling someone how they should play (which I'm not really doing) is entitlement then you don't.

    And by the rest of your quote there Kevyne is definitely the entitled one. I'm fine with the dailies now. I'm not bitching and screaming about anything. I'm not the one complaining about "Blizzard going back on their word" and crap like that. I'm shifting with the status quo.

    Again, I just took issue with someone saying that they NEED to grind out two outdated reputations in the most difficult way possible. It's as much of a need as doing the Insane in the Membrane achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    The pathetic thing is that blizzard counts people who do the trials... so if you did the MoP trial, but didn't buy, they count you towards that total... which is flat out stupid, mine ran out today and they'll still count me as a subscriber... Honestly, w/e the number is, I subtract atleast 200,000. I predict that it'll be close if not under 9 mil.
    They don't count trials, that is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    No you are absolutely entitled and have the entitlement mentality because you presume to tell him and others like him how they should play the game and what they need and they don't. I just can't wait for the changes to come to this game and come soon.
    Don't know what changes that may come, but if I didn't earn my epic gear I don't use it. I busted my butt to get everything I wear, on a server that is lucky to get content down before another patch or expansion...purely in PuGs and PuRs.

    No one carried me. I never bought any title. I never AFKed in a BG. I never took short cuts, period. I tradeskill gems/enchants/gear/inscriptions, too. Believe in self-sufficiency.

    That guy knows nothing.
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  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Mike Morhaime was beating his chest that they are "happy more frequent content is being pushed"... but i'm not seeing it. No new raid in 5.1 and next tier will likely come with the next book around late April next year...

    Dailies and the Brawler nonsense is not real content and they will figure that out when they hit 8 million subs in Q4.
    I think 5.2 will arrive in January or February, April is too far away.
    They're doing 1 minor patch, 1 major patch thing.

  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    Don't know what changes that may come, but if I didn't earn my epic gear I don't use it. I busted my butt to get everything I wear, on a server that is lucky to get content down before another patch or expansion...purely in PuGs and PuRs.

    No one carried me. I never bought any title. I never AFKed in a BG. I never took short cuts, period. I tradeskill gems/enchants/gear/inscriptions, too. Believe in self-sufficiency.

    That guy knows nothing.
    And I was wrong to call you entitled, was just throwing it back, but you know nothing about me either. I do all the same things as you. I have maxed every profession. I could go get those recipes, I have characters that are exalted with both factions, but I don't NEED to because they're outdated content and I don't want to sell out dated gear to twinks. It's not a necessity. That's my only problem here is that you're claiming that you needed to grind out Scryers and Aldor on one character when you didn't. It was a choice you made to get the most out of your character. I'm going to end this argument here because if you can't understand that I don't think I'm going to get through to you and it'd be pointless to try further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    As i said more than 2 months ago the real losses will show in February.

    Once people get their chars decked in LFR and are too sick of dailies on Alts the fall will be huge. We can expect some Scroll promotion tied with 5.1 around Christmas to bloat the sub figures.
    I imagine the daily grind will be reduced significantly after 5.1 hits, so it may not be as annoying an issue to people then. I know many of my guildies are perfectly fine working on their mains and in no rush to level their alts right now in hopes of sidestepping some of that "grind" with the incoming patch changes. It's different everywhere, but for my guild we are seeing an average of 40 people on at all times, many of them our BC raid core that grew to hate the game late in WoTLK. For me, MOP has been a pleasant surprise so far. Maybe more importantly... as a raid leader/GM, the dailies have proven to be useful to some extent. The guys that would have typically quit once things got remotely difficult or once something failed to go how they wanted aren't working their reps... so, its been easier to fill our out our three raid teams with people who are currently more inclined to do the extra things necessary to push progression. Two of our of three teams are racing against each other for faction side firsts, the third is 6 bosses in, we have been running 25s again -- it's been nice. The influx of older players returning to the game has really made for a lot of flexibility when filling out or raids and raid teams and the guys that are sitting on a particular night seem to enjoy being able to do dailies as opposed to sitting in SW or doing watered down heroics. The challenge modes have been really good filler for our guys too. Actually the challenge modes have been the biggest hits with the BC guys, as they do remind them of what the original ZA bear mount runs felt like etc etc.

    I think a lack of new content could have a bigger impact on whether people are unsubbing than the dailies. I didn't particularly enjoy them but it wasn't hard to get them done and once I opened up the AC and SP dailies, it became really easy to choose which ones I wanted to complete. It's completely filler content for me at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasffion View Post
    That might be considered arrogance but not entitlement.
    It's entitlement, as you assumed something you have no idea of knowing, in a way to try to belittle the work of others. I can probably sit here and judge you in how you were carried through WoW, but I'm a better person than you.

    It's players like this that destroys games, as they think their world is absolutely correct and refuse to see anything else.

    I was never the entitled one, and I never asked for something I didn't work to obtain (and most I did was soloed on top of it as a personal challenge), from the very day I started WoW.

    So get off my back and go back to playing WoW your way and stop telling others how to play their way.
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  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyUK View Post
    Looking into the numbers it does illustrate just how much damage cataclysm did.

    When they launched Cata in Q4 2010 Activ-B coined in $544 million, an increase of a 100million over WOTLKs release quarter

    Look at MOP launch Q3 2012 and they coined in $345million

    And WOTLKS numbers were $464 million,

    its the worst performing Expansion release quarter by a fair distance $200 million down on cata, $120million down on Wotlk.

    you can just see how much they're fudging their numbers by they have 10 million players, same as WOTLK yet are that down 25% ish in revenue in the quarter,
    also on the numbers its interesting to see what the normal run rate would be without the expansion, if the expansion sold 2.7million in that first week like they say it did, at $60 a pop less that from the $343 million would bring their non MOP revenue to about 181 million for the quarter, which would be the lowest ever.

    If you do the math on that it would mean they only have the revenue of in the region of 4 million actual paying subscribers per month, shows just how much their figures are massaged to get to the 10 million "subscriber" number to brag about.

  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    The pathetic thing is that blizzard counts people who do the trials... so if you did the MoP trial, but didn't buy, they count you towards that total... which is flat out stupid, mine ran out today and they'll still count me as a subscriber... Honestly, w/e the number is, I subtract atleast 200,000. I predict that it'll be close if not under 9 mil.
    What the fuck are you talking about?? please do not state your opinion as a fact... doing that is flat out stupid.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    It's entitlement, as you assumed something you have no idea of knowing, in a way to try to belittle the work of others. I can probably sit here and judge you in how you were carried through WoW, but I'm a better person than you.
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    You really need to go look up that word. Even if that's what I was doing, which I wasn't, that's not entitlement. Entitlement is the belief that I am owed something. That I have certain privileges. I didn't tell you to do something different. I didn't assume anything. I didn't belittle what you do. I just said it's not a necessity like you make it out to be.

    You can judge how I was carried through WoW all you want but I wasn't. I'm not sure what that has to do with your belief that grinding out two factions that weren't really meant to be gotten to exalted on one character is a necessity though.

    And just one more time to help it sink in. I'm not telling you how to play. I'm refuting your incorrect statement that playing that way is a necessity.

  14. #274
    A month or so after an expansion is normally when subscriptions peak. After that it's more or less a constant deflation with slight surges around big patches.

    I doubt WoW will ever breach the 10 Mio. subscribers again once it has fallen significantly below it for a longer period of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajskorv View Post
    No, you didn't need to max out your rep with factions and farm heroics to get into the raids in TBC.
    For that matter you don't need to do this in MoP either.

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  16. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    It's players like this that destroys games, as they think their world is absolutely correct and refuse to see anything else.
    Are you done talking to yourself?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Mike Morhaime was beating his chest that they are "happy more frequent content is being pushed"... but i'm not seeing it. No new raid in 5.1 and next tier will likely come with the next book around late April next year...

    Dailies and the Brawler nonsense is not real content and they will figure that out when they hit 8 million subs in Q4.
    Content != raids. Dailies and Brawler's Club are very much "real" content. You're forgetting that the vast majority of players never raids.
    Last edited by huth; 2012-11-08 at 05:19 PM.

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Content != raids. Dailies and Brawler's Club are very much "real" content. You're forgetting that the vast majority of players never raids.
    dailies are only "real" content in the very loosest gaming sense you can imagine. something that takes minutes to do, with no skill, that you need to repeat time after time after time, might count as content in a freeplay Zynga game. but in a subscription based game? its cheap, its nasty, and the longer people put up with it the longer companies like Blizzard will carry on doing it. content should be fun. or require skill. or preferably both. dailies have neither. they throw them out because they cost virtually nothing to produce, and produce an illusion of content. expect more, people.
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    The volume of new game features and content in MoP is a direct consequence of people cancelling subscriptions during Cataclysm. You're welcome.

  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    "Effort" is also a clever euphemism. I agree the heroics are faceroll but so what? I still gain so little out of them that the reward doesn't even match that. After 2 days I was done with them. They need to be more rewarding.

    Effort comes either from
    1) Time investments, or
    2) Challenge

    LFD spam doesn't involve any of those 2 aspects. So it's perfectly fine that rep rewards are better.
    And btw when you reach revered with all the factions, you will probably be doing dungeons for VP instead of dailies, so that's their niche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne-Shandris View Post
    OR

    People who quit are hoping WoW will improve so they can once again enjoy playing the game.

    I loved playing in WotLK. Couldn't wait to login to raid. Couldn't wait to heal. Loved Northrend as it was.

    Then came the destruction called, Cata. Not been pleased since.

    So here's hoping for an expansion only realm.

    It's interesting that what you consider the game's zenith (Wrath), I consider it's nadir. I got bored with DS very quickly but outside of Ulduar, I hated Wrath, although I actually did like Northrend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    dailies are only "real" content in the very loosest gaming sense you can imagine. something that takes minutes to do, with no skill, that you need to repeat time after time after time, might count as content in a freeplay Zynga game. but in a subscription based game? its cheap, its nasty, and the longer people put up with it the longer companies like Blizzard will carry on doing it. content should be fun. or require skill. or preferably both. dailies have neither. they throw them out because they cost virtually nothing to produce, and produce an illusion of content. expect more, people.
    That's you opinion. Since I'm not raiding anymore I could as well not consider it content? For me, dailies are content. Brawlers Guild (not with this horrible implementation, but I'm speaking about the concept) is content, Pet Battles are content, etc

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