It will stay above 10 million.
It will go under 10 million.
And I was wrong to call you entitled, was just throwing it back, but you know nothing about me either. I do all the same things as you. I have maxed every profession. I could go get those recipes, I have characters that are exalted with both factions, but I don't NEED to because they're outdated content and I don't want to sell out dated gear to twinks. It's not a necessity. That's my only problem here is that you're claiming that you needed to grind out Scryers and Aldor on one character when you didn't. It was a choice you made to get the most out of your character. I'm going to end this argument here because if you can't understand that I don't think I'm going to get through to you and it'd be pointless to try further.
I imagine the daily grind will be reduced significantly after 5.1 hits, so it may not be as annoying an issue to people then. I know many of my guildies are perfectly fine working on their mains and in no rush to level their alts right now in hopes of sidestepping some of that "grind" with the incoming patch changes. It's different everywhere, but for my guild we are seeing an average of 40 people on at all times, many of them our BC raid core that grew to hate the game late in WoTLK. For me, MOP has been a pleasant surprise so far. Maybe more importantly... as a raid leader/GM, the dailies have proven to be useful to some extent. The guys that would have typically quit once things got remotely difficult or once something failed to go how they wanted aren't working their reps... so, its been easier to fill our out our three raid teams with people who are currently more inclined to do the extra things necessary to push progression. Two of our of three teams are racing against each other for faction side firsts, the third is 6 bosses in, we have been running 25s again -- it's been nice. The influx of older players returning to the game has really made for a lot of flexibility when filling out or raids and raid teams and the guys that are sitting on a particular night seem to enjoy being able to do dailies as opposed to sitting in SW or doing watered down heroics. The challenge modes have been really good filler for our guys too. Actually the challenge modes have been the biggest hits with the BC guys, as they do remind them of what the original ZA bear mount runs felt like etc etc.
I think a lack of new content could have a bigger impact on whether people are unsubbing than the dailies. I didn't particularly enjoy them but it wasn't hard to get them done and once I opened up the AC and SP dailies, it became really easy to choose which ones I wanted to complete. It's completely filler content for me at this point.
It's entitlement, as you assumed something you have no idea of knowing, in a way to try to belittle the work of others. I can probably sit here and judge you in how you were carried through WoW, but I'm a better person than you.
It's players like this that destroys games, as they think their world is absolutely correct and refuse to see anything else.
I was never the entitled one, and I never asked for something I didn't work to obtain (and most I did was soloed on top of it as a personal challenge), from the very day I started WoW.
So get off my back and go back to playing WoW your way and stop telling others how to play their way.
From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."
also on the numbers its interesting to see what the normal run rate would be without the expansion, if the expansion sold 2.7million in that first week like they say it did, at $60 a pop less that from the $343 million would bring their non MOP revenue to about 181 million for the quarter, which would be the lowest ever.
If you do the math on that it would mean they only have the revenue of in the region of 4 million actual paying subscribers per month, shows just how much their figures are massaged to get to the 10 million "subscriber" number to brag about.
You really need to go look up that word. Even if that's what I was doing, which I wasn't, that's not entitlement. Entitlement is the belief that I am owed something. That I have certain privileges. I didn't tell you to do something different. I didn't assume anything. I didn't belittle what you do. I just said it's not a necessity like you make it out to be.
You can judge how I was carried through WoW all you want but I wasn't. I'm not sure what that has to do with your belief that grinding out two factions that weren't really meant to be gotten to exalted on one character is a necessity though.
And just one more time to help it sink in. I'm not telling you how to play. I'm refuting your incorrect statement that playing that way is a necessity.
A month or so after an expansion is normally when subscriptions peak. After that it's more or less a constant deflation with slight surges around big patches.
I doubt WoW will ever breach the 10 Mio. subscribers again once it has fallen significantly below it for a longer period of time.
For that matter you don't need to do this in MoP either.
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For all:
Stay on topic. Less chatter calling one another entitled, please. You know who you are. It contributes nothing whatsoever to the conversation.
Your only warning.
"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
dailies are only "real" content in the very loosest gaming sense you can imagine. something that takes minutes to do, with no skill, that you need to repeat time after time after time, might count as content in a freeplay Zynga game. but in a subscription based game? its cheap, its nasty, and the longer people put up with it the longer companies like Blizzard will carry on doing it. content should be fun. or require skill. or preferably both. dailies have neither. they throw them out because they cost virtually nothing to produce, and produce an illusion of content. expect more, people.
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Effort comes either from
1) Time investments, or
2) Challenge
LFD spam doesn't involve any of those 2 aspects. So it's perfectly fine that rep rewards are better.
And btw when you reach revered with all the factions, you will probably be doing dungeons for VP instead of dailies, so that's their niche.
Because I don't jump on the bandwagon to "fit in" because XYZ thinks it's kewl. I'm not a kiddie that needs it.
I liked WotLK for many reasons beyond just raiding, especially like it being so much an environment for a paladin...zillions of undead and an evil antagonist that controls them to smite. Liked hearing the crunch of snow under the feet. Liked the cold breath. Liked the blue light filter (liked I liked the yellow/orange one in Sentinel Hill; like the red one in Firelands...sets a perfect mood). Most of all, to be that paladin to burn evil down.
So no bandwagons for me, I like the expansion for what it was for me, not others says it to be.
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From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."
Actually, I was railing about repeatly having my passengers dismounted and falling to their fucking deaths while flying around Northrend... I was fucking railing about flying over WG and being dismounted myself and falling to my fucking death..... I was railing about a laundry list of shit that was fucking reported months ago in beta that never got fucking fixed and STILL isn't fucking FIXED on live....
And they fucking took offense about it.. it was NOT about a design decision...
Next.
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Actually it is you and Kevyne as well as the likes of you who have entitlement issues. Right now you and him/her present "suggestions" t issues of your own which you also consider to be above the FoM "rendered" for such aspects.
Why else would you be posting here for such a long time now if you did not have an issue of entitlement.
A normal person would just let go if they had "this many" problems with the game...
Then why are you here, acting so immature?
Sorry to go over the line here but, your previous posts contradict you.
You are someone who went as far as to literally insult(not tease) someone you don't know because of a game that does not meet your expectations. So be it, not being able to play WoW is not the end of the world.
...and it is indeed pitiful of me to try to put some sense into the likes of you during my breaks that I normally take to chill between my cramped up schedule.
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So everyone that doesn't see things the way you do is on a "bandwagon" or incapable of making a choice for themselves? Are you really this full of yourself or have you just chosen to super glue a chip onto your shoulder and assume everyone that doesn't agree with you is automatically some kind of message board enemy?
I hated Wrath cause it was an AOE fest that required no effort at all and sorry but IMO healing in Wrath was faceroll -- that was my experience, my view of the state of the raiding game save for Ulduar heroic modes which I really enjoyed. To be perfectly frank I loved how you could trigger heroic modes in there, I wish they had kept that as the design instead of making us go back and do the same freaking thing all over again only now it hits harder and has a new ability. Like I said, I enjoyed Northrend itself -- I liked the look and feel and I liked the questing better there than in BC for instance.
I wasn't faulting you for liking Wrath, I was pointing out the difference in how people view things in hopes that people with some level of intelligence might actually understand that one man's trash is another man's treasure.
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