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  1. #141
    Lethal injections are not intended to be revenge.

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    I agree entirely..

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    "Let's try and keep the discussion civil, everyone."

    On a discussion about torturing humans. Riiiight.
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  4. #144
    You are advocating the killing of "murderers", but when does killing become murder. Everyone is aware of premeditation, but it seems that you believe there is an element of justification to murder. At what point is it OK to murder people (i.e death penalty, it might be the issued judgement, but you cannot argue that it isn't murder.

    So would someone like to tell me at what point murder is a justifiable reaction to your own personal pain?

    Hypothetical:

    GuyA murders your family whilst you are out, but you learn the identity of GuyA. You proceed to murder GuyA. According to law, and your own opinions you should now be made to suffer the maximum available pain.

    But if the police apprehend the murderer and he is given capital punishment, it becomes OK, because in a room a guy with a wig waved a magic wand absolving everybody of the forthcoming crime of murder?

    Apparently it stops being murder when the person you killing is "bad enough".

    I find it hard to believe - but perhaps it's just my naivety - that people without mental illnesses actively plot to kill other humans being without extreme provocation.

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    Just make it faster. An average of 15 years from sentence to execution is a disgustingly long time. Full health care, education, food and board, tv and gym pass on my dollar for 15 months because you killed someone? That just isn't right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveion View Post
    You are advocating the killing of "murderers", but when does killing become murder. Everyone is aware of premeditation, but it seems that you believe there is an element of justification to murder. At what point is it OK to murder people (i.e death penalty, it might be the issued judgement, but you cannot argue that it isn't murder.

    So would someone like to tell me at what point murder is a justifiable reaction to your own personal pain?

    Hypothetical:

    GuyA murders your family whilst you are out, but you learn the identity of GuyA. You proceed to murder GuyA. According to law, and your own opinions you should now be made to suffer the maximum available pain.

    But if the police apprehend the murderer and he is given capital punishment, it becomes OK, because in a room a guy with a wig waved a magic wand absolving everybody of the forthcoming crime of murder?

    Apparently it stops being murder when the person you killing is "bad enough".

    I find it hard to believe - but perhaps it's just my naivety - that people without mental illnesses actively plot to kill other humans being without extreme provocation.
    Then you should pay for the entirety of his prison sentence. Why should I have to? Putting him in jail does nothing positive. We pay for him to be there and then someone else gets rich off guys like him killing someone.
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    Agree but....the injection doesn't hurt anyway does it? (well except the needle sting but w/e)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    "Let's try and keep the discussion civil, everyone."

    On a discussion about torturing humans. Riiiight.
    ya that seemed a little out of place
    You're a fine example of how gamer communities have become infested with endlessly whining and bitching, arrogant, opinionated, unreasonable, all the way immature, completely delusional, tendentially psychotic, insulting individuals one really doesn't want to be linked with. And playing with you guys is certainly no fun at all. I don't know where this kind of folks spawns from. Must be a nest somewhere ...
    A fine summarization of the community

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by coolkingler1 View Post
    Agree but....the injection doesn't hurt anyway does it? (well except the needle sting but w/e)
    I watched a documentary on humane execution methods a couple of months back on youtube, cant remember what it was called but I'm pretty sure there was something about the injection being horrifically painful without a sedative.

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    lol, most of the people wanting painful murders for the criminals could probably become murderers themselves under the right circumstances. No, the 'humane' in society are better than those murderers. Which means also not even killing by needle but whatever.
    This topic has been beaten to death a million times.

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    Sure if you want to do it.

    Very few people are capable of carrying out cold blooded murder. Some people are wired differently or grow up in circumstances which aide in this type of behavior.

    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means, but how many people could easily push a button to blow up a boat full of other people? Lots of people could boast that they would, but in reality very few people would. Very few people want blood on their hands and for good reason, it changes you.

    I find it funny that the OP asks for people to remain calm and civil, especially when the topic is about human torture. Your definition of justice is more in line with retribution, or revenge.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    I watched a documentary on humane execution methods a couple of months back on youtube, cant remember what it was called but I'm pretty sure there was something about the injection being horrifically painful without a sedative.
    I saw one that aired on TV. The guy on the show discovered that some kind of gas--nitrogen or argon or something--could humanely kill people, with no pain. Then at the end of the episode the guy interviews a pro-lethal injection guy who argued that the point of the death penalty was to cause suffering, and that he couldn't rest knowing that a murderer would not feel some kind of retributive pain for his crimes.

    Some people, I think, just want their hatred/revenge allayed by knowing the murderer suffered. I don't think they care whether that's a moral stance or not.

  12. #152
    vengeance isnt the same as justice
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    Life Lesson #1 - People are terrible.

    Don't let it get to you. It'll only spoil your own personal enjoyment if you do.

  13. #153
    Personally I don't believe in an eye for an eye.


    I believe in TWO eyes for an eye.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    The soul is an entity that does not exist for starters. People kill for all sorts of reasons, mental issues, love, vengeance, envy, heat of the moment stuff.

    The world isn't black and white and taking a life does not make someone inherently evil no matter what you say. What you and many others attribute to justice is not even close to being that, it is revenge plain and simple; vengeance. Murder through the state is still murder no matter how you want to spin it.

    If I had done something terrible enough to warrant a life sentence in prison, I would rather take the easy way out and end it all than to spend the rest of my life in an institution where I have no freedom, a place where I would most likely be cut off from any form of real human contact through confinement and isolation.

    Your vengeance isn't a punishment to these people, it is a gift of freedom.
    First let me get this out of the way. I'm religious, you're not. We will never agree on this subject so don't reply to this post. Just read it and continue on with the night.

    The world is black and white. Sorry to have to tell you, but it is. Those who think it isn't has their eyes blocked from the truth(this sentence has nothing to do with religion btw). No, taking a life does not make you inherently evil. I didn't say that. Murdering someone does. There's a difference in how someone is killed on whether it's murder or not.

    A husband killing his wife cause she cheated on him is murder.
    A soldier killing an enemy because he intends to kill others is not.

    Just because you take someones life doesn't mean you're a murderer. Taking someones life unjustly, makes you a murderer. Mental issues, vengeance, envy, heat of the moment stuff. Are not reasons to justly take someones life.

    I left love out of that list, because it is a line between justified, and unjustified. The example I gave above about the husband would be unjustified. But killing someone because they intend to kill someone you love is justified.

    If you have it in you to kill someone beyond self defense, then yes you are not a 100% good person. No matter how angry I get with someone, I will not take someones life unless it is to protect someone else, or to save my own life.

    A state killing a murderer, is not murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knight Gil View Post
    And yet you would do the same, under the right circumstances.

    I remember a thread months ago about if you would press a button to receive millions of dollars but at the same time a random human around the world would die. A lot of people said they would do so. Face it: You have absolutely no right to call someone a monster when most people are no better.
    I wouldn't do it. Hypothetical situation aside, I would not push the button, knowing that in doing so someone would die.

    Under the right circumstance, how about listing those circumstance instead of blindly saying that.

    I would only take the life of someone else under 2 circumstances.

    1. They intend to kill me
    2. They intend to kill someone I care about

    Neither of those circumstances is murder. As long as I have proof it was self defense. lol

  15. #155
    Murder is Murder


    Nobody cares who did this crime.

    When a thug killed someone, its murder.

    When this man then is getting killed in Jail by an lethal injection, its murder.


    Step it up America, its 2012.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by anthemm View Post
    I saw one that aired on TV. The guy on the show discovered that some kind of gas--nitrogen or argon or something--could humanely kill people, with no pain. Then at the end of the episode the guy interviews a pro-lethal injection guy who argued that the point of the death penalty was to cause suffering, and that he couldn't rest knowing that a murderer would not feel some kind of retributive pain for his crimes.

    Some people, I think, just want their hatred/revenge allayed by knowing the murderer suffered. I don't think they care whether that's a moral stance or not.
    Yes, that's the one I watched. The guy at the end made me sick.

  17. #157
    I honestly think the best way to execute someone would be a bullet to the back of the head, but not because its violent, because it would be fast and painless. Give them their last meal, put a .45 on the back of their skull while they are eating and pull the trigger, the only issue would be open casket burials. Sounds like the most humane way to me, no anticipation or pain.

    there is no point in making someone suffer, we aren't trying to get information from them, no one would benefit. executions are for one of two reasons: 1. you do not feel confident you can prevent them from harming more people or 2. you do not have the resources to spare to keep them alive.

    1 would apply to folks like bin laden, his continued survival would have just caused harm in my opinion, even if he was in custody.
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  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by skrump View Post
    Lethal Injection ? screw that let the family of the victim decide how to punish such people and sell that shit on payperview.

    Think of the income our prison system could generate while at the same time producing quality television that would increase the chances of our children being fearful of the law thus being less likely to break it.

    It's a total win/win

    Hell we could totally capitalize on it and do death match versions of all known sports.
    We could start off small of course just to give people a taste for it doing something simple like catapulting inmates into a brick wall or running them down with cars.
    I am so game for this, so so game.
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  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by soloedalysrazoronwarrior View Post
    Let's try and keep the discussion civil, everyone.


    I am getting sick of all this "but he is a human we must treat him humanely" crap.
    Ok ok YOU did not treat your victims humanely when you slashed his through or blew a hole through his head WHY SHOULD YOUR DEATH BE PAINLESS? ANSWER ME!

    you call this JUSTICE? What is JUSTICE? it is when you are FORCED to suffer at least as much as the victim suffered THAT is the fundamental definition of "Justice".
    We need to stop with all this "Humane" crap and start giving lethal injections with the murderer fully awake so he will feel the entire process and get to know the worthless piece of trash he is.
    Murderers should not be treated as human. They are sub-human and should be treated like dirt. A mouse trap kills a mouse in agony, a murderer is given a death sentence UNCONSCIOUS! so he does not feel ANY PAIN! Im sorry but I value the mice over the Murderer.

    STOP GIVING HUMANE DEATH SENTENCES. Give it to them AWAKE!
    You have some issues... but i guess you knew that already.
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  20. #160
    What you are talking about is not Justice, It is revenge bathed in pure hatred. When you act just as bad as the person you are trying to "punish" what is the difference between you and them? Should you then be murdered based on the pain you inflicted?

    No one likes Murderers but we should not become them just because our instincts tell us to get angry. Just be happy they have to face up to their crimes and are not aloud to stay out on the streets. Only a few hundred years back people where killed much more often and the killers got away with it more times than most want to even think about.

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