Lethal injections are not intended to be revenge.
I agree entirely..
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"Let's try and keep the discussion civil, everyone."
On a discussion about torturing humans. Riiiight.
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You are advocating the killing of "murderers", but when does killing become murder. Everyone is aware of premeditation, but it seems that you believe there is an element of justification to murder. At what point is it OK to murder people (i.e death penalty, it might be the issued judgement, but you cannot argue that it isn't murder.
So would someone like to tell me at what point murder is a justifiable reaction to your own personal pain?
GuyA murders your family whilst you are out, but you learn the identity of GuyA. You proceed to murder GuyA. According to law, and your own opinions you should now be made to suffer the maximum available pain.
But if the police apprehend the murderer and he is given capital punishment, it becomes OK, because in a room a guy with a wig waved a magic wand absolving everybody of the forthcoming crime of murder?
Apparently it stops being murder when the person you killing is "bad enough".
I find it hard to believe - but perhaps it's just my naivety - that people without mental illnesses actively plot to kill other humans being without extreme provocation.
Just make it faster. An average of 15 years from sentence to execution is a disgustingly long time. Full health care, education, food and board, tv and gym pass on my dollar for 15 months because you killed someone? That just isn't right.
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Agree but....the injection doesn't hurt anyway does it? (well except the needle sting but w/e)
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lol, most of the people wanting painful murders for the criminals could probably become murderers themselves under the right circumstances. No, the 'humane' in society are better than those murderers. Which means also not even killing by needle but whatever.
This topic has been beaten to death a million times.
Sure if you want to do it.
Very few people are capable of carrying out cold blooded murder. Some people are wired differently or grow up in circumstances which aide in this type of behavior.
Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means, but how many people could easily push a button to blow up a boat full of other people? Lots of people could boast that they would, but in reality very few people would. Very few people want blood on their hands and for good reason, it changes you.
I find it funny that the OP asks for people to remain calm and civil, especially when the topic is about human torture. Your definition of justice is more in line with retribution, or revenge.
Some people, I think, just want their hatred/revenge allayed by knowing the murderer suffered. I don't think they care whether that's a moral stance or not.
Personally I don't believe in an eye for an eye.
I believe in TWO eyes for an eye.
The world is black and white. Sorry to have to tell you, but it is. Those who think it isn't has their eyes blocked from the truth(this sentence has nothing to do with religion btw). No, taking a life does not make you inherently evil. I didn't say that. Murdering someone does. There's a difference in how someone is killed on whether it's murder or not.
A husband killing his wife cause she cheated on him is murder.
A soldier killing an enemy because he intends to kill others is not.
Just because you take someones life doesn't mean you're a murderer. Taking someones life unjustly, makes you a murderer. Mental issues, vengeance, envy, heat of the moment stuff. Are not reasons to justly take someones life.
I left love out of that list, because it is a line between justified, and unjustified. The example I gave above about the husband would be unjustified. But killing someone because they intend to kill someone you love is justified.
If you have it in you to kill someone beyond self defense, then yes you are not a 100% good person. No matter how angry I get with someone, I will not take someones life unless it is to protect someone else, or to save my own life.
A state killing a murderer, is not murder.
Under the right circumstance, how about listing those circumstance instead of blindly saying that.
I would only take the life of someone else under 2 circumstances.
1. They intend to kill me
2. They intend to kill someone I care about
Neither of those circumstances is murder. As long as I have proof it was self defense. lol
Murder is Murder
Nobody cares who did this crime.
When a thug killed someone, its murder.
When this man then is getting killed in Jail by an lethal injection, its murder.
Step it up America, its 2012.
I honestly think the best way to execute someone would be a bullet to the back of the head, but not because its violent, because it would be fast and painless. Give them their last meal, put a .45 on the back of their skull while they are eating and pull the trigger, the only issue would be open casket burials. Sounds like the most humane way to me, no anticipation or pain.
there is no point in making someone suffer, we aren't trying to get information from them, no one would benefit. executions are for one of two reasons: 1. you do not feel confident you can prevent them from harming more people or 2. you do not have the resources to spare to keep them alive.
1 would apply to folks like bin laden, his continued survival would have just caused harm in my opinion, even if he was in custody.
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What you are talking about is not Justice, It is revenge bathed in pure hatred. When you act just as bad as the person you are trying to "punish" what is the difference between you and them? Should you then be murdered based on the pain you inflicted?
No one likes Murderers but we should not become them just because our instincts tell us to get angry. Just be happy they have to face up to their crimes and are not aloud to stay out on the streets. Only a few hundred years back people where killed much more often and the killers got away with it more times than most want to even think about.