If a priest is psychic screaming a non-healer when the healer isnt CC'ed, consider yourself pro, since you just countered his instant CC.
And it's so useless to LoS instant clone from a feral unless you are.. tada... a healer. But since feral clone is non-dispelable, you're no better off since the feral can just pick another target to use his clone on.
And by the way.. Lets assume you are a ranged dps in the 3v3 team (since a melee is most of the time in cyclone range), and you are not being trained by a feral. How will you apply any sort of offensive CC on the opposing healer if you are sitting at 30-40 range from the feral (which by the way isnt possible in some arenas)? Please tell me.
So now you're talking 3v3 and not just any scenario with a Feral. Also, you're only mentioning a Feral, although both Boomkin and Resto Druid have instant Cyclone via Nature's Swiftness.
So what you're asking for, is basically to remove the only real cc Feral kitties have - am I understanding right?
Again, you're comparing instant Cyclone to instant Fear in terms of being immune to dispel but you keep forgetting that Cyclone comes at a steep cost dps wise, whereas Fear does not.
I'd like Warrior Shockwave and Mage Sheep plus RoF to be nerfed but for ranged dps it doesn't really matter as much, as in, they don't have to run close to dps. All classes have cc and what are you doing to counter Shockwave for instance?
this might be some of the dumbest sh*t i've seen people bring up.
get rid of cyclone. :|
no shortage of 1500 heroes in this thread.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none."
Ring of frost is being nerfed. Shockwave will eventually be nerfed. Pressence of mind/nature's swiftness has a far too low cooldown, Blood fear should be nerfed, I think everyone that isnt retarded can agree with all that. Do you literally want me to bring all the stupid mechanic into the game that Blizzard has brought upon us for the last 3 expansions?
But you still can't find anything that's remotely comparable to instant feral druid cyclone... Despite how hard you are trying.
Just make cyclone dispellable and (maybe) make it break on damage, if Predator's Swiftness is used to cast cyclone. If hardcast it should remain as it is now.
Also, make Predator's Swiftness spellstealable again, thanks.
THEN you get a buff that someone can remove in 1 single GCD.
So this "instant" cyclone everyone is talking about isnt even remotely instant in any way.
Learn to play!
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Yes, it's instant??
Pressence of mind into a full sheep is instant despite PoM being dispellable and the 1,5min cooldown on PoM???
Exactly how biased are you?
Of course now that MoP is out and amount of instant CCs has skyrocketed, Cyclone is a lot less noticeable. Not mention ferals have low representation.
Does it require instant fix? No. But it certainly should be looked at in the future.
Last edited by Friyn; 2012-11-09 at 08:25 PM.
@ Saltyharbls shut up. You're the typical biased idiot. Fuck off and while you're at report me, so I can turn off my computer and go cry in my lonely corner where no one loves after I get banned.
I claim that Clone is not so overpowered alone, and give example of a situation where it's considered broken and retarded. I'm pretty sure that's relevant.
Anyway, I'm going to do myself a favor and just quote you, C@.
How the fuck should I know, what you're referring to? People who post on any forum have a very different background, reading your name or the thread title doesn't give me a clue about what sort of player you are and what you're referring to.
I don't believe I need to defend the only real cc Feral kitties have and again you keep mixing Druids in general and Feral kitties up. Resto and Boomkin can use NS but only kitties can use 5 CP + finisher to get this OP "instant" clone.
So which is it that you want nerfed - the NS all Druid have or the 5 CP + finisher that only kitties have? Or do you just want kitties nerfed, while Resto and Boomkin can keep their NS?
You mentioned other instant CC, I mentioned other instant based CC that's also obviously as broken as instant feral cyclones (to keep a somewhat objective Pov). Please tell me where I said that non-ferals got access to instant cyclone outside of CD.
And by the way. Ferals still have access to cyclone wether or not they are able to cast it instantly after generating 5 combo points. It could be even be possible to make it castable in other forms if putting a 30-45 second cooldown on instant-clone isnt likely. Changing predatory swiftness would not break "any real feral CC".
Hardcasting cyclone requires skill and timing and is fair game, since it's also counterable. Just because you aren't able to get a cyclone off outside of instant casts, because you suck at fake casting, doesn't mean that others aren't able to.
There are many things that could make the instant cyclone mechanic much more desireable from a proper PvP perspective:
- Make cyclone be dispelable when casted with predatory swiftness
- Put a 30-45 second internal CD on cyclones casted with predatory swiftness, whereas all cyclones in between have to be hardcasted.
- Remove CC from the predatory swiftness buff, but make all druid CC castable in all forms
This would make ferals harder to play and make instant clones more realistic to counter.
But since you keep bringing in NS/Pressence of mind... Yes, I would prefer if CC couldn't be casted with these buffs, but that would be a implementation we would never see.
Last edited by Funkthepunk; 2012-11-09 at 11:12 PM.
But sure, you can have this free pressence of mind after 5 icelances, if we get a 1.5 second cast 110k damage dealing ability on 60% resi with a 10 second CD too.
See where this is going? Idd. No-fucking-where.
this is how you deeal with insta-cyclones: train feral all day so he's forced into bear all the time - no finishers - no clones ;>