Garrosh is a suitable leader for the Horde!
I dont like Garrosh too much, i think other should lead!
I dont care who leads!
Alliance should kneel before Garrosh or face his rage!
He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.
Garrosh is a terrible leader. He's completely worthless as a strategist, and I'd be willing to bet that the Theramore thing will turn out to have been someone else's idea. Given Garrosh's history of 'attack now even if it's retarded' (See: The TwiHi intro, his attack on the quilboar in Baine's short story, etc etc), the strategy behind Theramore was much too intelligent to have been his work. Oh, and now he's enslaving children into the war effort by decree? As a mother, there is nothing that disgusts me more than some self-glorifying dumbass abusing children for his visions of victory.
The Horde needs a leader who is willing to step up and fight for EVERYONE (not just the orcs), NOT a child-abusing murderer of dissenting voices who frequently just attacks without thinking out of bloodlust and a total lack of strategy.
I used to love the Horde. I might return to it when Garrosh is gone. As long as he's leading? Glory to the motherfucking Alliance.
Not sure if this has come up yet...but the front page on domination point intro....I get that he still treats voljin like shit but..c'mon dude did have a point on why they are on pandaria...till the fear in the panda heart thing...
I mean it yes his attitude is still shitty, not really the first person like that. But so far at the end of the day it still kinda seems garrosh is putting the horde first...granted he still is having the issue of it being HIS. Horde .....pretty sure that is what will actually fuck him over at one point.
I think the parallel with Hitler or other leaders from the REAL WORLD is too much.
Not because one fictional leader is similar or not with a real leader.
But because one is a fictional leader and one is a real leader.
This is just a game guys, and its about war (WARcraft) and i like to think its about competition. So if its about competition lets break the alliance in two and those petty rebels.
For the TRUE Horde, the ONLY Horde.
Also about the hitler thing...yes I hate to admit it but to a extent he did give a small amount of a whatever heart he had to his country...but no at the end of the day he was a bad leader and person since ya know ..no matter what a leader is meant to see ALL subjects/ppl equally and say fuck racism....in public. And just clear things up the comparison should never never ever ever ever be used to a FUCKING GAME CHARAECTER.
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The Scarlet Crusade is just a fictional faction, but the some of the bosses in the new Scarlet Monastery dungeons are still somewhat based on the Nazis.
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
You Garrosh fans don't want to hear anyone opinion of Garrosh being bad, because in your head its not what you want to hear, so you try and ignore it.
this thread is ridiculous.
you want to know why garrosh is bad? because he believes only orcs and tauren are worthy of actually being in the horde he believes all the other races are garbage fodder and he says so multiple times. however even then hes shown he doesnt even really care for the tauren or the orcs and will gladly sacrifice entire swathes of them to achieve even a petty goal.
so garroshes horde is a horde where undead, trolls, blood elves, pandaren, goblins, ogres (lorewise), and hozen (lorewise) are all second citizen tools to be used as fodder and thrown away when nolonger needed.
and considering the vast majority of tauren dont care for garrosh and alot have grudges over cairne that leaves garroshes horde with only one main force: thats right orcs.
now idk about you but im pretty sure awhile ago the orcs tried to go one on one with the humans and got locked up in cages. lets see them try it again without the might of demon blood and against a combined and unified force of the alliance because this time it isnt just humans its all the races of the alliance: humans, high elves, half elves, night elves, gnomes, dwarves, pandaren, draenei, jinyu.
a divided horde is a broken horde and a broken horde is weak
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
I think 60% of the Horde would actually vote Sha of Happiness as the next leader - over it's current leader, even if that meant having an evil loot pinata sitting in the middle of Org 24/7.
Garrosh isnt that bad
I know hes all gruff and grouchy but i happen to know he gives to at least 5 children's charities and a save the kodo fund!
but seriously he is a war leader his job is not to be popular but to deliver victories and new land and territory for his people and i dont think the orcs give a shit how he does it at this stage of the game
I will give my reasons why i love Garrosh Hellscream
Gameplay wise - He has shaken up this game to fevor pitch just the mere mention of his name is enough to make people brim with pride or foam at the mouth with anger no other character in wow history has stirred so much passion. He has taken the horde Vs alliance rivalry to a new intense and exciting level which has been such a shot in the arm for this game.
History wise - Garrosh is a conquerer or at least a wannabe conquerer he wants his people to have palaces and riches to rival the greatest empires that azeroth has ever seen he does not want to just sit in the desert and stagnate. Just like the conquerers of old he wants to leave his mark on history and he doesnt care who gets in his way to achieve it. I admire that greatly
Personalty wise - He is a strong leader who doesnt take any shit from noone. He is quite willing to lead from the front and get his hands dirty i love the quest where garrosh appears then leaves and there must be about 100 dead mogu where he carved his way to get to the mogu warlord who he wanted questioning thats badass right there.
But at the end of the day Garrosh Hellscream doesnt exist hes just a poorly written character pulled out of chris metzens ass but it doesnt mean i shouldnt be able to admire certain traits of his character that doesnt make me a bad person
Im coming into this thread a little late, but I wanted to address the point that kept getting brought up earlier about Garrosh "reinforcing" Orgrimmar.
You guys do realize that Thrall was the one who commissioned Gazlowe to begin making the repairs, right? It happens after Wrath but right before the Cataclysm when fire elementals burned the hell out of the city.
Garrosh didn't do a thing to reinforce Orgrimmar. Thrall set it up with Gazlowe before he left. All Garrosh did was go "SPIKES, BLACK AND RED METAL AND SPIKES. SPIKESSSSS!" and then set about dividing the city up by race.
It happens in The Shattering.
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Garrosh is a meanie; he called me mean things
My signature is actually relevant to this thread.
The main reason I dislike Garrosh is because he started as a whiny little kid, and then he was reckless and rash in Northrend, and now we're supposed to believe he's fit to be a leader? Yeah okay. He's about as good of a leader as a 15 year old boy would be.
I think a lot of players are confused about why people dislike Garrosh. Personally I have no problem with having a leader who wants to destroy the Alliance, what I have a problem with is him being an idiot. In almost all situations his answer to a problem seems to be either "throw lots of cannon fodder at it until it goes away" or "yell at it IN ALL CAPS until it goes away". He rules through intimidation, not because it's the best character for the job.
His one golden moment so far was mana-bombing Theramore, except for 2 key problems:
1. He did it in such a way that it could be traced back to his spies
2. He left troops to die when he could've feigned a withdrawl under the guise of "peace" (or a million other reasons) to get all of his troops out of there, their sacrifice was a waste of resources
Being a genocidal, horrific, blood-thirsty maniac is acceptable to me (for a faction leader in WoW), but only if you have the mind to outsmart your enemies. Garrosh keeps demonstrating that he doesn't, and, even worse, his generals need to clean up the mess he leaves. Saurfang in Northrend, the Blood Elves in Dalaran, god knows how many others.