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  • Garrosh is a suitable leader for the Horde!

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  • I dont like Garrosh too much, i think other should lead!

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  • I dont care who leads!

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  • Alliance should kneel before Garrosh or face his rage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    Then dont go talking about American politics yourself then. Oh and left and right isnt just an American thing btw.
    Hooked by a fake spin? First off, we didnt get to pick our warchief, so I didnt fall for anything, however Im not so blind that I can see the good AND bad in what hes done for Horde. Infact he was appointed by your beloved Thrall (no i dont have anything against him). And I say stfu cause we already know your opinion on Garrosh...from the hundreds of threads before this...we get it, trust me.
    I honestly don't care if you like to hear it or not, while there are threads with people who still preach how they think Garrosh is so great because they don't wish to acknowledge the bad shit he's doing to the horde and sugar coat him, like yourself, the I'm just doing to speak out and say, ask or correct them on there lack of understanding of the current situation.
    If you can acknowledge Garrosh is bad for the horde now because thats exactly what the story if telling us now, then fine, but if you wish to ignore the very fact the devs are telling you this and you don't want to hear it, then I'll just keep saying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    I honestly don't care if you like to hear it or not, while there are threads with people who still preach how they think Garrosh is so great because they don't wish to acknowledge the bad shit he's doing to the horde and sugar coat him, like yourself, the I'm just doing to speak out and say, ask or correct them on there lack of understanding of the current situation.
    If you can acknowledge Garrosh is bad for the horde now because thats exactly what the story if telling us now, then fine, but if you wish to ignore the very fact the devs are telling you this and you don't want to hear it, then I'll just keep saying it.
    I never sugar coated anything...I said he did bad (mentioned his racism and disrespect for the other Horde races)...what exactly are you reading?
    No matter how much bad hes becoming or is, you cant discard the fact that hes helped the Horde in more ways than you believe. (I for one believe after we dethrone him, we'll be stronger than ever)
    Oh and hes not really THAT bad atm, game time wise at least...Its in 5.1 where shit hits the fan, and we, as characters, know nothing of whats to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    Again, thats a matter of opinion. The Horde that hate him are the Horde who still follow Thralls beliefs. Guess what? Thralls gone! People have to wake up and realize/respect their new warchief, no matter how ruthless the commands he gives are. and Im not going in circles btw...if you want to know the good hes done...read the thread over.
    What kind of attitude is that? Respect and follow the guy in charge no matter what. I'm sorry, but I like to make up my own opinions.
    And Garrosh has done nothing good for the Horde. The one big victory against the Alliance, Theramore, hasn't done anything good for the Horde. It has cost the lives of a lot of Horde soldiers, it made the Alliance aware that Garrosh is a threat and it made the Horde aware that Garrosh is a problem that they need to dispose of. And for what? They didn't even take Theramore. They just wanted to destroy the place to then go ahead and attack the Night Elves. But that failed and the Horde has won nothing. In the meantime his pet blackrock orc goes around and kills all those brave enough to oppose him.

    Here's the thing. Garrosh will lose. We already know that. Or at least we know that both Alliance and Horde will unite to attack Orgrimmar. Both Alliance AND Horde. That includes orcs.

    Garrosh is the villain here, and it's as clear as day. I don't understand why you can't see that.
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    You know, they all are still very alive. Just irrelevant and hopelessly behind on progress path, while rest of Europe and Asia that were much more moderate in their wars gone far ahead of them and doesn't seem to "fall with no exception" anytime soon. Well, if being remembered as "some obscure warmongering barbarians that were routed by civilized people" is your idea of "legacy", then yes, Garrosh is perfect guy to reach it.
    they took on the world and won yes they havent done much since ghengis khan but thats not his fault he himself is remembered just like garrosh wouldve been remembered had he won


    heres gheghis khans legacy and im sure he wouldnt give a shit about what western civilisation has to say about him as long as he is remembered fondly by his people


    My point is great conquerers are remembered and beloved by there people leaders who just sit around doing shit in the middle of a barren desert arnt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    What kind of attitude is that? Respect and follow the guy in charge no matter what. I'm sorry, but I like to make up my own opinions.
    And Garrosh has done nothing good for the Horde. The one big victory against the Alliance, Theramore, hasn't done anything good for the Horde. It has cost the lives of a lot of Horde soldiers, it made the Alliance aware that Garrosh is a threat and it made the Horde aware that Garrosh is a problem that they need to dispose of. And for what? They didn't even take Theramore. They just wanted to destroy the place to then go ahead and attack the Night Elves. But that failed and the Horde has won nothing. In the meantime his pet blackrock orc goes around and kills all those brave enough to oppose him.

    Here's the thing. Garrosh will lose. We already know that. Or at least we know that both Alliance and Horde will unite to attack Orgrimmar. Both Alliance AND Horde. That includes orcs.

    Garrosh is the villain here, and it's as clear as day. I don't understand why you can't see that.
    Were at WAR btw...so I dont see how Theramores fall is even debatable...
    I never disputed Garrosh becoming a villain, simply said I dont mind him as our warchief, and recognized the good hes done, despite the bad guy things hes going to do. I dont understand how thats hard to understand. You may be mistaking me for a Garrosh fanboy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    Were at WAR btw...so I dont see how Theramores fall is even debatable...
    I never disputed Garrosh becoming a villain, simply said I dont mind him as our warchief, and recognized the good hes done, despite the bad guy things hes going to do. I dont understand how thats hard to understand. You may be mistaking me for a Garrosh fanboy?
    Hate you break it to you but you sound like one. And using the tiresome old retort of 'this is WARcraft' doesn't make anything in the story validated by a character, not when as nindoriel pointed out clearly, nothing Garrosh has done has ensured the hordes future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Hate you break it to you but you sound like one. And using the tiresome old retort of 'this is WARcraft' doesn't make anything in the story validated by a character, not when as nindoriel pointed out clearly, nothing Garrosh has done has ensured the hordes future.
    I dont know what to say man...you dont seem to comprehend english very well... Just because im not 100% anti Garrosh means im pro Garrosh? Ive said what ive had to on that but let me ask you...
    Do you hold Thrall accountable for this "mess" since it was he, and he alone who basically caused this split in the Horde?

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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    I dont know what to say man...you dont seem to comprehend english very well... Just because im not 100% anti Garrosh means im pro Garrosh? Ive said what ive had to on that but let me ask you...
    Do you hold Thrall accountable for this "mess" since it was he, and he alone who basically caused this split in the Horde?
    I'm sorry your feble attempt to turn it back on Thrall as being responsible for this is just an obvious attempt as trying to vex, which I can easily counter.
    Even when he is not leading the horde, Thrall is doing things that end up strengthening the horde, and keeping it alive, since not only did be bring the goblins into the horde, but also kept orgrimmar from being destroyed. Thrall knows well the mistake he made in giving Garrosh power, he paid for that with the loss of cairne, but he isn't anymore accountable for Garrosh's actions anymore then king terenas is responsible for Arthas, or Malfurion is responsible for Staghelm
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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    Were at WAR btw...so I dont see how Theramores fall is even debatable...
    I never disputed Garrosh becoming a villain, simply said I dont mind him as our warchief, and recognized the good hes done, despite the bad guy things hes going to do. I dont understand how thats hard to understand. You may be mistaking me for a Garrosh fanboy?
    Yeah Garrosh did a lot of good. He built the Autobahn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Hate you break it to you but you sound like one. And using the tiresome old retort of 'this is WARcraft' doesn't make anything in the story validated by a character, not when as nindoriel pointed out clearly, nothing Garrosh has done has ensured the hordes future.
    I get the impression you take this far too seriously. Almost reads as if you would assault anybody who speaks good of Garrosh were they saying it to your face.

    Its late at night so I'll leave you with a small list of the good Garrosh has done for the Horde, whether you accept it or not is a different problem altogether:

    1. Reinforced Orgrimmar = Better protection for the horde races that call the city home.
    2. Advances into Ashenvale have secured vital lumber for the Horde.
    3. Brought the Dragonmaw into the Horde.
    4. Brought down the staging point of any future Alliance attack on the Horde in Kalimdor (Argue the means all you want, it needed to be done to protect the Tauren, Trolls, Orcs and Goblins from alliance invasion. Remember Taurajo.)
    5. Ordered a more mechanised military and viable navy for the Horde.
    6. Successfully led the Warsong Offensive to victory against the Scourge (Don't bother arguing whether you think this is correct, lore says he was praised as a huge success for his Northrend campaign)
    7. Brought the Houjin Pandaren into the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    I'm sorry your feble attempt to turn it back on Thrall as being responsible for this is just an obvious attempt as trying to vex, which I can easily counter.
    Even when he is not leading the horde, Thrall is doing things that end up strengthening the horde, and keeping it alive, since not only did be bring the goblins into the horde, but also kept orgrimmar from being destroyed. Thrall knows well the mistake he made in giving Garrosh power, he paid for that with the loss of cairne, but he isn't anymore accountable for Garrosh's actions anymore then king terenas is responsible for Arthas, or Malfurion is responsible for Staghelm
    HAHAHA ooohhh man...you're really something. First of all Garrosh wasnt responsible for Cairnes death...this leads me to believe you did not read the story and/or are simply blinded by your hate of Garrosh. Terenas/Arthas and Malfurion/Staghelm are terribad comparisons dude...like, really? By your ideals Thrall appointing Garrosh Warchief is by far one of THE WORSE mistakes the new horde has seen. How could such a great warchief not see this immature, emo, dishonorable, hateful, inexperienced, warmongering, arrogant, ignorant, whatever else you Garrosh haters say, Orc? Thrall had plenty of other, better candidates imo. So enough with the double standards man.

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    I get the impression you take this far too seriously. Almost reads as if you would assault anybody who speaks good of Garrosh were they saying it to your face.
    And yet you decided to make bulletpoints on your opinion of the matter.

    Its late at night so I'll leave you with a small list of the good Garrosh has done for the Horde, whether you accept it or not is a different problem altogether:

    1. Reinforced Orgrimmar = Better protection for the horde races that call the city home.
    2. Advances into Ashenvale have secured vital lumber for the Horde.
    3. Brought the Dragonmaw into the Horde.
    4. Brought down the staging point of any future Alliance attack on the Horde in Kalimdor (Argue the means all you want, it needed to be done to protect the Tauren, Trolls, Orcs and Goblins from alliance invasion. Remember Taurajo.)
    5. Ordered a more mechanised military and viable navy for the Horde.
    6. Successfully led the Warsong Offensive to victory against the Scourge (Don't bother arguing whether you think this is correct, lore says he was praised as a huge success for his Northrend campaign)
    7. Brought the Houjin Pandaren into the Horde.
    1 - 'moved all none orcs to the edge of the city so he wouldn't have to deal with that scum' I believe was how Garrosh refered to other races of the horde.
    2 - His 'advance' into ashenvale failed when Varian pushed them back
    3 - What exactly have they done since then? just proving once more that Garrosh only see's orcs as the superior race.
    4 - He used a tactic that he killed one of his own generals, he used the rest of the horde as pawns, he showed he is a coward and has not honor.
    5 - None of which has ever shown to be effective in survival since in every major encounter he loses his fleet in one way or another.
    6 - Oh I don't need to even dig into this one, he didn't do sod all for the offensive against the scourge, it was Saurfang who lead the attack for the horde, and Garrosh was just a mindless puppet used in icc for a buff, he wasn't even there when icc opened, so really, he stepped in after the events of the raid on the citadel. How brave.
    7 - He, like to every other horde race, forced the pandaren to endure a trial by death, he regarded them as scum and only took them on because they were extra cannon fodder for him.

    Keep posting all you want about how you think Garrosh dumps gold bricks in the morning, but your never win the argument. Garrosh is set to lose, and its so easy for me now to show why he's the worst thing to happen to the horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    HAHAHA ooohhh man...you're really something. First of all Garrosh wasnt responsible for Cairnes death...this leads me to believe you did not read the story and/or are simply blinded by your hate of Garrosh. Terenas/Arthas and Malfurion/Staghelm are terribad comparisons dude...like, really? By your ideals Thrall appointing Garrosh Warchief is by far one of THE WORSE mistakes the new horde has seen. How could such a great warchief not see this immature, emo, dishonorable, hateful, inexperienced, warmongering, arrogant, ignorant, whatever else you Garrosh haters say, Orc? Thrall had plenty of other, better candidates imo. So enough with the double standards man.
    Read my above. It honestly doesn't matter what you have to say of it now, since we're be getting rid of him, and theres sob all you can do about it.
    Oh and I do read the lore, and when they show a character as a baddie, which si exactly what Garrosh developed into, well its kind of funny when two years before I was saying on the forums how bad Garrosh was, and while guys like you told me he was here to stay for good and he would be warchief from here on, it seems I had the right initiative, while guys like yourself failed to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    Were at WAR btw...so I dont see how Theramores fall is even debatable...
    I never disputed Garrosh becoming a villain, simply said I dont mind him as our warchief, and recognized the good hes done, despite the bad guy things hes going to do. I dont understand how thats hard to understand. You may be mistaking me for a Garrosh fanboy?
    We're only at war because Garrosh is too stupid to realize he picked a fight he couldn't finish. A fight he started for no reason. He hasn't done any good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grisset View Post
    We're only at war because Garrosh is too stupid to realize he picked a fight he couldn't finish. A fight he started for no reason. He hasn't done any good.
    exactly. Those who assume Garrosh has done good for the horde, there naive. The horde has lost so many soldiers and battles recently, even if people think its won ground, its only won it because of so many of its numbers being killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    exactly. Those who assume Garrosh has done good for the horde, there naive. The horde has lost so many soldiers and battles recently, even if people think its won ground, its only won it because of so many of its numbers being killed.
    So I guess war is all about fairies, rainbows, ponies, and love?
    Oh and I like how you totally ignored my last post regarding Thrall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsybob View Post
    1. Reinforced Orgrimmar = Better protection for the horde races that call the city home.
    2. Advances into Ashenvale have secured vital lumber for the Horde.
    3. Brought the Dragonmaw into the Horde.
    4. Brought down the staging point of any future Alliance attack on the Horde in Kalimdor (Argue the means all you want, it needed to be done to protect the Tauren, Trolls, Orcs and Goblins from alliance invasion. Remember Taurajo.)
    5. Ordered a more mechanised military and viable navy for the Horde.
    6. Successfully led the Warsong Offensive to victory against the Scourge (Don't bother arguing whether you think this is correct, lore says he was praised as a huge success for his Northrend campaign)
    7. Brought the Houjin Pandaren into the Horde.
    1. True.
    2. True.
    3. The players did this while Garrosh was having a swim.
    4. True.
    5. True.
    6. He was praised because he was in the spotlight while Saurfang did most of the work behind-the-scenes.
    7. They joined based on the Horde members they met in the wandering isle. Garrosh would have needed to be even more stupid than most people think he is to turn them away after they willingly chose to join the Horde. This is like giving Agmar credit for the Taunka joining the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    So I guess war is all about fairies, rainbows, ponies, and love?
    Oh and I like how you totally ignored my last post regarding Thrall.
    Actually if you decided to read my post you'd see I drew up Thralls fault in leaving Garrosh in charge and how it cost him one of his best friends.

    See, you again make a redundent argument in assuming unless the story is about acting like raving behemoths and bloodthirsty savages, then it must be all softcore. Go play warhammer online if you don't like it
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    Horde needs a strong leader.
    Garrosh is strong.

    Horde should be about dominating the Alliance, not making treaties with them.
    Back to a boring leader next expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punksandskins View Post
    So I guess war is all about fairies, rainbows, ponies, and love?
    Oh and I like how you totally ignored my last post regarding Thrall.
    War is about having something to fight for. Garrosh doesn't have anything to fight for. He's started the war just to have a war.
    War is about knowing how to allocate resources to best serve your forces. Garrosh thinks that all resources and people should be mindlessly thrown into the war machine.
    War is about uniting your people under a common cause. Garrosh has consistently splintered the Horde for the "betterment" of the orcs at the expense of all other Horde races.
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    He is a rough baddie, and therefore people don't like him. Easy as that. Who cares that he did more to advance the Horde in one year than Thrall and Vol'jin for, like, a decade?
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