Originally Posted by
Schaden
This whole point is moot for that reason. We have no idea what Thrall would've done or how he would've proceeded with rebuilding Orgrimmar.
Correct. Though lumber is needed, even in a city made of steel. Forges, cooking fires, troll structures, various war machines require lumber, such as the Demolishers that are so iconic for the Horde. Furniture, target dummies, crates, and the list goes on.
Also, the closest other place to harvest lumber is Azshara (sparse woodlands, small trees, also being used by the Goblins), or....Ferelas and Ungoro. Ashenvale makes loads of sense.
And his swim was due to him sending off his flank and guard and he paid the price for it.
Firstly: the Alliance is still responsible for the actions of their soldiers. And they DID kill civilians. You do a quest there to literally put the souls of the tauren killed there to rest. One guy tried to fight off the invaders with a skinning knife. Another died creating a distraction so others could escape. Those people were murdered, the Alliance doesn't get a pass on this one.
And, tbh, he's right. Theramore was the staging ground for the Alliance forces that invaded the Barrens. Those Alliance forces that attacked Turajo? They arrived on Kalimdor by way of Theramore. That same army that forced the Tauren to wall off Mulgore and severing the trade route of grain and water from Mulgore to Orgrimmar. Which triggered a famine in Orgrimmar. And with the Southfury River rendered undrinkable from the goblin workshops in Azshara, the only way to get fresh water and grain to Durotar is no longer through the secure, quick route of the Barrens, but up through Stonetalon Mountains where Grimtotem raiding parties harass caravans. So yeah, Theramore is a huge problem for the Horde, along with the occupying Alliance forces that it houses.
No, Garrosh isn't dumb, I'll give you that. He's just reckless, tactless and fatally obstinate.
/Also points to the Barrens for your "War"craft needs.
Yeah, he was commander, but all the actual military operations were lead by the Saurfangs, Sylvanas, or Thrall. If you remember the quest you get in Agmar's Hammer, Saurfang Sr. is explicitly working behind his back to assure things go smoothly. The most Garrosh did was antagonize Varian in Dalaran in that one cut scene.
Pretty much. He's done some good stuff for the Horde, namely expanding the navy. Which may or may not be helpful since the Alliance have a lot more experience with naval battle and have considerably expanded their aerial forces. Horde needs focus on keeping an airship from being destroyed. :P