Horde's opinion: Garrosh

[Zonas]

garrosh was cool but then blizz decided to write him like an asshole

When was he cool exactly?

This is one thing I don't understand with Garrosh fans. What, please tell me EXACTLY what makes him cool or enjoyable as a character to ANY degree? He turned from a whiny bitch in BC when they first introduced him, to a warmongering moron who has no sense in character development what so ever.

Okay, maybe they are trying to emulate Grom with his character, he was hardly a smart warrior when it came to knowing when and when not to attack. BUT OH WAIT! When they FIRST showed him in WoW, all he did was lament about how much of a monster his father was... Only untill Thrall shows him how he saved everyone did he feel okay to call himself Grom's son. Guess what! Complete one eighty turn with character in Wrath when he is given power to invade Northren, despite the fact he did nothing to earn this power. He is basically a self-entitled ass who has coasted off of the fame his father gained with his two seconds of greatness when he ended the blood curse the orcs were under.

And don't say, "OH, but he shows us how the horde should act!" That is so bullshit that I can't even describe it. There are atleast five different hordes in Warcraft lore already. Both counting Warcraft games and what has been brought in WoW. THE Horde, the player faction that we play as, isn't a group of warmongering monsters. It's a group of races who were brought together under Thrall to look after one another and sustain their way of life. For God's sakes, Thrall switched continents just to realize this idea.

Yes, I hate Garrosh with a passion. Yes, I'm probably biased with my hatred of him in my opinion of his character. But, so far from what I've seen, there is nothing worthwhile about this guy. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine if Blizz wants to add Alliance/Horde conflict as part of WoW's current story, but this is just the wrong way to do it.

[MMOTotal]

I think Blizzzard built up this character from the start with the "bad guy" approach throughout the years. It was not until Cataclysm that the hate he got escalated quickly as people wanted Thrall back and the Horde was treated as the bad guys.

Can't wait to kill him.

[Hodenkrieg]

I agree completely, but apparently a lot of people want both factions to be exactly the same, and be led by pacifists. Why even play a war themed game if you want it to be at peace?

Just because its a war themed game doesn't mean the leaders need to lead in a frenzied, roid-induced hulkrage.

It is just as simple to be lead by a cool-headed strategist who plans battle over "WAAAGH! KILL STUFFS! 'ERE WE GO! 'ERE WE GO!"

[ImmortalityDreadmaul]

I rather enjoyed Garrosh during pre-cata, when he leader in Northrend. I did enjoy his thirst for domination and always looking to conquer for the Horde, but he went to far by killing Cairn (even if he didnt know his weapon was poisoned). When that happened I was like no... just no... and I think he has to go I want Voljin to lead, If Cairn was still alive I would say him, but now Voljin is the only eligible leader to rule the horde, seeing as the trolls have been behind the orcs and the Horde since... since like forever (figure of speech).

[Hodenkrieg]

I rather enjoyed Garrosh during pre-cata, when he leader in Northrend. I did enjoy his thirst for domination and always looking to conquer for the Horde, but he went to far by killing Cairn (even if he didnt know his weapon was poisoned). When that happened I was like no... just no... and I think he has to go I want Voljin to lead, If Cairn was still alive I would say him, but now Voljin is the only eligible leader to rule the horde, seeing as the trolls have been behind the orcs and the Horde since... since like forever (figure of speech).

Not only was he unaware his weapon had been poisoned, Carine was also the one who challenged Garrosh to a duel in the first place.

I was sad to see Carine ended, but personally hold no grudge against Garrosh for his death.

[Tauror]

Garrosh is fighting for his "vital land", by purging the "inferior races" and using paramilitary forces to silence the opposition and superweapons to destroy the enemy.

Not that I'm trying to compare to anything, but it's pretty obvious what is the story being told here.

[Dreknar20]

When was he cool exactly?

This is one thing I don't understand with Garrosh fans. What, please tell me EXACTLY what makes him cool or enjoyable as a character to ANY degree? He turned from a whiny bitch in BC when they first introduced him, to a warmongering moron who has no sense in character development what so ever.

Well someone of the things he has done I like.

Like being agressive toward the Alliance, the re-modeling of Org and other Horde fortresses, and that he just looks like a total badass

---------- Post added 2012-12-05 at 10:51 PM ----------

It is just as simple to be lead by a cool-headed strategist who plans battle over "WAAAGH! KILL STUFFS! 'ERE WE GO! 'ERE WE GO!"

Garrosh does have a head for strategy, though he does lean more toward brute strength and "shock and awe" kinda stuff

[Chief Brouhaha]

If the leader of a two faction war that has been going on forever isn't trying every way possible to end it in his favor, he isn't doing a very good job.

[Dreknar20]

If the leader of a two faction war that has been going on forever isn't trying every way possible to end it in his favor, he isn't doing a very good job.

well thats the thing with weapons and what not

The more powerful they are, the more dangerous they probably are, even to your own side

[Drilnos]

When was he cool exactly?

This is one thing I don't understand with Garrosh fans. What, please tell me EXACTLY what makes him cool or enjoyable as a character to ANY degree?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...WarriorRaceGuy

[Sky High Shark]

i didnt mind how garry lead things back in Cata. it showed him being a bit of a dick but not a totally unreasonable leader. but now that Blizz wants to get rid of him they of course turned the dick meter to 11. and while i don't want a pacifist (why i don't want thrall back) as a leader we don't need an orc adolph shitler.

[Zonas]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...WarriorRaceGuy

This would only hold weight if Garrosh was an actual warrior. His character to be a super strong/savage beast of a warrior is atrocious, trying to make him look like he's one of the strongest orcs ever. Hell, by most accounts, he should be one of the weakest.

Fine, you could say he will have some natural ability for being Grom's son, but that would only go so far. Most of his life was spent in Nagrand, a place that doesn't really look all that threatening. And from what they've shown of him, he barely ever did anything because like I said, he cried about how horrible his father was. Now that he's on Azeroth, what has he done in terms of actual combat to bring him up to par with other leaders? Besides the forced "fights" he has with Carine, Varian, and Thrall.

[Dreknar20]

i didnt mind how garry lead things back in Cata. it showed him being a bit of a dick but not a totally unreasonable leader. but now that Blizz wants to get rid of him they of course turned the dick meter to 11. and while i don't want a pacifist (why i don't want thrall back) as a leader we don't need an orc adolph shitler.

pretty much a mirror of my thoughts

I loved Garrosh in Cata, and now, well I cant really hate his more like just be dissapointed

---------- Post added 2012-12-05 at 11:55 PM ----------

This would only hold weight if Garrosh was an actual warrior. His character to be a super strong/savage beast of a warrior is atrocious, trying to make him look like he's one of the strongest orcs ever. .

and yet all through the SHattering people kept referring to him as a fine warrior
Even Cairne, one of his more vocal and direct of critics, gave him that

[Nagassh]

If the leader of a two faction war that has been going on forever isn't trying every way possible to end it in his favor, he isn't doing a very good job.

When "everything possible" includes f-ing over more than 50% of the people you're supposed to be fighting for, he's doing a pretty terrible job. There's a difference between burning land that you're ceding to the enemy and setting fire to your whole country so no one can have it.

Garrosh was a pretty lame character when he was introduced, he wasn't received well, now blizzard have turned him into a villain with even more hammy writing and just "how can he be this stupid" level dialogue and choices.

I can sympathise with the people who feel blizzard have done him a disservice by writing him out so poorly - they totally have, it's impossible NOT to dislike Garrosh while simultaneously facepalming at how far off the deep end he's gone - his "now Garrosh is a bad guy, you're not supposed to like him" atmosphere is way too heavy handed, it could have been done a lot more subtly and been a slow decline, but it seems like they've just flipped a switch and his personality has went from "mildly racist, alliance hating, hot headed orc that makes some rash choices", to "complete bumbling idiot hellbent on making everyone hate him and seemingly so socially inept that he doesn't realise it or care".

I didn't think he was wrote into the story particularly well - I certainly don't want him as the warchief, I'd rather have Thrall as the leader of the horde - not because I particularly like his antics in cataclysm (oh god make Aggra go away), but because he IS the leader of the horde to me, was in W3, was when I started playing WoW, still should be in my book. As a result, I'm frankly just happy he's going, hopefully he'll piss Thrall off enough to get a decent reaction instead of how super passive he is.

[MMOTotal]

On the topic of Garrosh and his first introduction.

Maybe, people would have a different opinion of him if TBC had the storytelling mechanics of what we have today in MOP. Having more engaging quests with VO makes a world of difference than just text.

[Trassk]

On the topic of Garrosh and his first introduction.

Maybe, people would have a different opinion of him if TBC had the storytelling mechanics of what we have today in MOP. Having more engaging quests with VO makes a world of difference than just text.

naw, all that would have done is show an ingame cinematic of Garrosh crying into a fire weeping about his daddy.

[Dreknar20]

it could have been done a lot more subtly and been a slow decline, but it seems like they've just flipped a switch and his personality has went from "mildly racist, alliance hating, hot headed orc that makes some rash choices", to "complete bumbling idiot hellbent on making everyone hate him and seemingly so socially inept that he doesn't realise it or care".
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That could be explained by how Blizz didnt expect to bring bout his fall in this x-pac but the next
So that could mybe explain the bit of a jump he went from beginnijg to end of Cata

[-Virgo-]

Look forward to the day the Horde will have a Blood Elf warchief, it's time to make Orgrimmar a city instead of a stinking pigsty.

[MMOTotal]

naw, all that would have done is show an ingame cinematic of Garrosh crying into a fire weeping about his daddy.

It would be a good laugh, if anything

[Zonas]

pretty much a mirror of my thoughts

I loved Garrosh in Cata, and now, well I cant really hate his more like just be dissapointed

---------- Post added 2012-12-05 at 11:55 PM ----------


and yet all through the SHattering people kept referring to him as a fine warrior
Even Cairne, one of his more vocal and direct of critics, gave him that

Perhaps, but my point still stands. Where is it that actually shows he is this "fine warrior"? You can't just take a character out of the proverbial gutter and make him into a super powerful badass without any reason. Many of the actual known fighters have done great things in their time. Like when the horde and alliance fought against the Legion.

What they should have done was actuall delve into his character a bit. Rather than the mess they had when he was out in Burning Crusade. Where Thrall and him meet for about half a second, he never shows up again untill the Scourge Invasion where suddenly his word carries weight within the horde.