Org Should Be Like Berlin

[hutchzilla]

I like the idea as long as....

In a retialiatory measure the horde throw a customs checkpoint just outside stormwind.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Just going to put this here. I don't want to hold Orgrimmar. Let the Horde handle their own city and mess. Despite people wanting to hold Orgrimmar. The Alliance has to make it known we won't tolerate another Garrosh or Horde war and leave. We shouldn't waste time and resources holding Orgrimmar.

[apepi]

Huh I dunno why no one suggested it...but how about the Garrosh friendly forces control half of org. And the forces that are hostile against him control the other?

With only the raid showing these changes, the first 1 or 2 bosses could be some of garrosh's officers makin a preemptive strike against players in the orgrimmar the players control.

Then Vol'jin and the other npcs who are orchestrating the offensive, push in with the players. Each npc going for a different officer of garrosh's in his part of orgrimmar. Once those officers are downed. Garrosh's headquarters is opened..and everything converges on his position. With him doing somethign with the Sha or old gods or whatever..and with him being taken out.

Does that sound plausible to anyone?

It sounds like it could make a sick aq event.:}

[Krolikn]

Well with The Legion on the way the Alliance would be ensuring their defeat with no Horde allies left. Destroying or conquering Orgrimmar would cripple the remaining Horde who wouldn't be able to help against The Legion either.

[JudgePayne]

i feel that the alliance will just set up supply blockades like the horde did in tides of war.

stop lumber from ashenvale and through the navy block cargo from the sea.

also jaina is still pissed about garrosh so shes gonna wreak havoc on him and his forces.

[Seranthor]

some of you seem to neglect reading. its not handed to the alliance. alliance players will not be able to freely go to org. its just a cosmetic change in all honesty with some flare.

story wise its an alliance half... game play wise it will not be.

As I see it your responses to anyone that offers any opposition are to be rude, or snarky to them. So what it appears you want are folks to conform to your wishes and agree with you instead of giving you honest feedback. That said... I'll give you honest feedback, I think your idea is illogical and ill-conceived on so very many levels, and since you are going to be rude about it I'm not going to waste my time listing them.

---------- Post added 2012-11-10 at 08:28 PM ----------

that last statement seems odd, they followed him even before this ultimate weapon.

also returning to the way things have always been is just wrong IMO it leaves way to much laziness in the writing

as i keep repeating the alliance is going to back down and leave right after, after all that had happned in cataclysm into MOP?

Yes yes, and the Iraqis followed Saddam Hussein until they had help to depose him... then they rightfully rose up and removed him.

---------- Post added 2012-11-10 at 08:29 PM ----------

Alright I can see that, but my point still is (i wont list it again) the alliance had gone through to much to simply allow the horde to maintain its absolute power.

Tough, deal with it... your idea isnt' gonna happen, not even in the remotest sense... Blizzard will get a far as 'Berlin' in your submission and then shitcan it.

[GennGreymane]

Well with The Legion on the way the Alliance would be ensuring their defeat with no Horde allies left. Destroying or conquering Orgrimmar would cripple the remaining Horde who wouldn't be able to help against The Legion either.

because lore wise..... everyone is aware of this?

[Powerogue]

There will certainly be difficulties in just letting them have Orgrimmar, especially if Jaina's there. *shiver*

[apepi]

because lore wise..... everyone is aware of this?

If the adventurers know that something might happen I am sure their racial leaders would end up finding out. Also in the 5.1 audiofiles Varian seems to be wising up and seeing that war witht he Horde is not the most imporant thing to him, his people are. If he wanted the best for his people he would not just start another war with the new new Horde when he just got rid of the new old one(this is getting confusing!). He is learning what Garrosh is doing and looking at himself and seeing that that how he is/will become if he does not change things.

Also at the person who said the horde and allaince can not work together for a long period of time(only for other threats) is wrong. The night elves and the taurens have been getting along in the Cenarion Circle for as long as wow has started and in Dalaran the mages were getting along to together(although they were in separate quarters).

[Theendgamelv3]

You don't know what the story will be like in Siege. Who isn't to say that the rebels don't negotiate with the Allies for them to leave? A scenario like this would be the rebels and Allies need each other and apart of that pact is that when Garrosh goes down, the rebel Horde take it back. Also, who knows what will happen, maybe through talks Varian could "trust" Baine or Voljin with the city. Basically we don't know how the Siege of Org will come about. It could be a number of ways. Your gate is too much, as well. Keep it simple stupid ( not calling you stupid here, just using the KISS principle), just add Ally NPCs here and there. Remember with the Battle of UC, after that battle you had Kro'Kon guards. IF they went your idea, Ally NPCs would be the route they go IMO. One more thing, there are a number of illogical things in this game, so why would this be any different?

[tommypilgrim]

The Alliance aren't going to be liberating the city, otherwise there'd be nothing for horde players to do. I don't see it being a full on Alliance invasion, instead I'd expect some kind of infiltration mission.

More importantly, I don't think the Alliance would be wise to invade Orgrimmar and claim it when the full might of the Horde is facing inwards. There is going to be some kind of power vacuum within the Horde post-Garrosh, crushing the Alliance interlopers would suit some members just fine (Sylvannas, I'm looking at you). And if we're going by logic, why would the Alliance bother to hand back even half of the city? Why wouldn't Varian and Tyrande seize the opportunity to wipe out the settlement and many of its inhabitants? The only answer is that they couldn't manage that because, as I said, the entire might of the Horde will be facing inwards.

[GennGreymane]

If the adventurers know that something might happen I am sure their racial leaders would end up finding out. Also in the 5.1 audiofiles Varian seems to be wising up and seeing that war witht he Horde is not the most imporant thing to him, his people are. If he wanted the best for his people he would not just start another war with the new new Horde when he just got rid of the new old one(this is getting confusing!). He is learning what Garrosh is doing and looking at himself and seeing that that how he is/will become if he does not change things.

Also at the person who said the horde and allaince can not work together for a long period of time(only for other threats) is wrong. The night elves and the taurens have been getting along in the Cenarion Circle for as long as wow has started and in Dalaran the mages were getting along to together(although they were in separate quarters).

even the players lore wise are unaware of future events :/

just because we get limited foresight does not mean it will translate in game.

[OATZYEA]

let them have ogrimmar. its fugly !

[MikeBogina]

The alliance are going to leave a small army to watch over Orgrimmar??

pfft not happening. Pretty sure that the fact that its a joint siege with the Horde forces(not some rebels) comes with an agreement to get the fuck out of their city once Garrosh is dealt with.

This logic that it should be like Berlin is so flawed. It was occupied by outside forces that defeated the Germans. The Horde are the Germans in this scenario and they are not enemies of the Allies(alliance). They are working together to take back their city, from Hitler and his Nazi Zombies. No need to occupy the city. And the occupation was to prevent the Germans from rising again, but to also save them from the Russians. If the Alliance act like the Russians, and decide they need to occupy a city of Horde they outnumber them like crazy, they'll lose that army in a heart beat

[Duito]

No it shouldn't end of story

[GennGreymane]

let them have ogrimmar. its fugly !

indeed so it really is