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  1. #341
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...osidius/simple
    Alternate Specs/Glyphs:
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/y4o0m...ard/?enc=kills , http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gi...ard/?enc=kills
    Questions, concerns, expectations: I feel my damage is low. I run my toon on epeen bot and I find I'm barely above the 25 percentile. I think I should be hovering around the 50th percentile. I'm also pretty low on the meters
    Description of Playstyle: I use clcinfo with this rotation: inq inqdp tv5 tvdp inqes inqhpr inqlh howaw exoaw tvaw how exo jhow cs j tv3 ss

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamb10 View Post
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...osidius/simple
    Alternate Specs/Glyphs:
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/y4o0m...ard/?enc=kills , http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gi...ard/?enc=kills
    Questions, concerns, expectations: I feel my damage is low. I run my toon on epeen bot and I find I'm barely above the 25 percentile. I think I should be hovering around the 50th percentile. I'm also pretty low on the meters
    Description of Playstyle: I use clcinfo with this rotation: inq inqdp tv5 tvdp inqes inqhpr inqlh howaw exoaw tvaw how exo jhow cs j tv3 ss
    Just checking armory, I'm not sure if you have filled your third Major Glyph slot, but it is only showing you with two Major Glyphs taken. If you don't have it already, Glyph of Mass Exorcism will help on fights with AoE going out.

    Also, the ring from Blade Lord will definitely be an upgrade over the Raid Finder ring you have off of Megaera. The valor necklace would be a solid upgrade. If you were able to get the Haunted Steel Treads made, those are massive upgrades. Just a couple suggestions off the top to try and get rid of some of that hit.
    Last edited by Dmchomerun; 2013-06-03 at 10:16 PM.
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  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Dmchomerun View Post
    Just checking armory, I'm not sure if you have filled your third Major Glyph slot, but it is only showing you with two Major Glyphs taken. If you don't have it already, Glyph of Mass Exorcism will help on fights with AoE going out.

    Also, the ring from Blade Lord will definitely be an upgrade over the Raid Finder ring you have off of Megaera. The valor necklace would be a solid upgrade. If you were able to get the Haunted Steel Treads made, those are massive upgrades. Just a couple suggestions off the top to try and get rid of some of that hit.
    I had glyph of dp in there usually but took it out for the last few tot fights. Definately aware of the hit issue.

  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by adamb10 View Post
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...osidius/simple
    Alternate Specs/Glyphs:
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/y4o0m...ard/?enc=kills , http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gi...ard/?enc=kills
    Questions, concerns, expectations: I feel my damage is low. I run my toon on epeen bot and I find I'm barely above the 25 percentile. I think I should be hovering around the 50th percentile. I'm also pretty low on the meters
    Description of Playstyle: I use clcinfo with this rotation: inq inqdp tv5 tvdp inqes inqhpr inqlh howaw exoaw tvaw how exo jhow cs j tv3 ss
    i only checked 2 fights, but i noticed your up time of inquisition is really low, 73.7% for Tortos and 78% for lei, Lei shen can be low because of the transition, but Tortos u should have 97%~99% since u're always attacking either boss or bats,

    something else i've noticed, never really paid attention to it but, it feels like you have low use of HoW, for example, on Megaera, u only gained 37 Holy power from HoW, seeing some other logs having 50+ HoW's, anyway, during wings with SA, u should follow this: Always HoW after anything, so HoW > Exo / Jud > HoW, if u dont get an art of war proc u dump it using TV, if u get an art of war u go with exo then HoW then TV, and so on, since u want the 6% debuff from your 2set

    and you're way over hit cap even with out feathers from Ji-kun, this is quite bad, napkin math but i think u should change the haste hit gem on your chest to 320 haste, and buy valor neck, the low haste overall could explain the low number of HoW's

    Other than that remember to pre-pot and u're good to go, just need 4 set and it'll be good :3!
    Last edited by Blacklion; 2013-06-04 at 01:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamb10 View Post
    I had glyph of dp in there usually but took it out for the last few tot fights. Definately aware of the hit issue.
    I understand you are aware of it, just trying to give some options to lower that hit level and get some better secondary stats instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blacklion View Post
    napkin math but i think u should change the haste hit gem on your chest to 320 haste
    I think the haste/hit gem is fine as-is, there are definitely better options than replacing that single gem.
    Last edited by Dmchomerun; 2013-06-04 at 04:32 PM.
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  6. #346
    OK, so how would you describe this ?

    Code:
    [00:27:15.086] Horridon Double Swipe <player> 66972
    [00:27:15.906] Horridon Double Swipe <player> 64182
    [00:27:17.248] Horridon hits <player> 187539
    [00:27:18.527] Horridon hits <player> 244251
    [00:27:19.842] Horridon hits <player> 90769 (O: 111426)
    And how could this happen, where <player> was a pala tank taunting Horridon from me (all other adds and War God were dead) ?
    Last edited by SirRaven; 2013-06-05 at 10:33 PM.

  7. #347
    Hi everyone, I need a sanity check on the T15 bonus. I've come to understand that T15 pal ret performance is about micro managing 2P and 4P bonus.
    Could you correct or not my following assumptions ?

    At the moment I'm doing under CDs : HoW-CS-HoW-TV or HoW-Exo-HoW-Inq if I need to refresh Inq am I correct ?

    Then when 2PT15 proc I avoid to clip too early the Exo debuff (like chaining Exo because of AoW proc etc.) except if it should lead to have a gap in my rotation and missing a GCD.

    Lastly 4PT15 if I get the proc and I'm at TV range (3 or more HP) I consume the proc asap instead of using Exo or J to avoid delay a CS and thus delay another potential proc.

    Thank you ! And thumbs up for all the contributors of these forums great community here

  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by MrKlomp View Post
    Hi everyone, I need a sanity check on the T15 bonus. I've come to understand that T15 pal ret performance is about micro managing 2P and 4P bonus.
    Could you correct or not my following assumptions ?

    At the moment I'm doing under CDs : HoW-CS-HoW-TV or HoW-Exo-HoW-Inq if I need to refresh Inq am I correct ?

    Then when 2PT15 proc I avoid to clip too early the Exo debuff (like chaining Exo because of AoW proc etc.) except if it should lead to have a gap in my rotation and missing a GCD.

    Lastly 4PT15 if I get the proc and I'm at TV range (3 or more HP) I consume the proc asap instead of using Exo or J to avoid delay a CS and thus delay another potential proc.

    Thank you ! And thumbs up for all the contributors of these forums great community here
    Its tricky with the 2pc/4pc of t15 and what to use under SW, the best answer I can give is: use your best judgement (no pun intended)

    You don't want to clip the exo debuff, but if Exo is the only skill that is off CD and you aren't at 5 HoPo, imo, its still best to use the exo and overwrite the debuff.
    4p: I don't think its wise to consume the TV at 3 HP, you still want to get to full HP, as opposed delaying your other hp generators.

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by Todyn View Post
    Its tricky with the 2pc/4pc of t15 and what to use under SW, the best answer I can give is: use your best judgement (no pun intended)
    As many have stated already : HoW>CS>HoW>TW repeat is the "gamble high cost high reward" situation and HoW>Exo>HoW>TV with some CS if Exo is not up is the "safe constant damage" situation so choose wichever you prefer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todyn View Post
    You don't want to clip the exo debuff, but if Exo is the only skill that is off CD and you aren't at 5 HoPo, imo, its still best to use the exo and overwrite the debuff.
    True

    Quote Originally Posted by Todyn View Post
    4p: I don't think its wise to consume the TV at 3 HP, you still want to get to full HP, as opposed delaying your other hp generators.
    You should consume your TV before using CS again, regardless of how many HPs you have.

    For instance, 3HP and holytv proc is up : if J or exo is up, use them, if not ,TV and CS>....

  10. #350
    Thx for your answers, I'm still learning to play ret pal and so far it had been funnier than I thought ^^

  11. #351
    Hi,

    I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I feel that my damage isn't that what it should be.
    I've got very good gear but I guess my playstyle is wrong. I'm a buttonmasher and I know it's wrong, because Proccs can be thrown away. I try to stop and "unlearn" this habit.

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Xaeriq/simple
    World of Logs: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-0t4thssd1qionei2/ (Recent Logs are also available)

    I'm using clcinfo, my current Ret prio: inq tv5 tvaw how exoaw jaw exo inqes tv4 j cs tv3
    During Wings I'm using this rotation: HoW>Exo>How>TV , HoW>J>HoW>Exo>HoW>TV or HoW>Exo>HoW>Exo>HoW>TV if AoW proccs.

    I'm trying to improve myself, reading forums & discussions, watching videos etc.

    I Hope you can help me.

    Thank you very much.

  12. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by Real1sity View Post
    Hi,

    I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I feel that my damage isn't that what it should be.
    I've got very good gear but I guess my playstyle is wrong. I'm a buttonmasher and I know it's wrong, because Proccs can be thrown away. I try to stop and "unlearn" this habit.

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Xaeriq/simple
    World of Logs: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-0t4thssd1qionei2/ (Recent Logs are also available)

    I'm using clcinfo, my current Ret prio: inq tv5 tvaw how exoaw jaw exo inqes tv4 j cs tv3
    During Wings I'm using this rotation: HoW>Exo>How>TV , HoW>J>HoW>Exo>HoW>TV or HoW>Exo>HoW>Exo>HoW>TV if AoW proccs.

    I'm trying to improve myself, reading forums & discussions, watching videos etc.

    I Hope you can help me.

    Thank you very much.
    Can't tell if you're trolling or not, but, why don't you have 4 pc?

  13. #353
    Quote Originally Posted by Todyn View Post
    Can't tell if you're trolling or not, but, why don't you have 4 pc?
    Because Ji-Kun hates me and the token does not drop. Not in LFR and not in our Mainraid.
    Nalak sucks too, the only items I get are pvp items.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Real1sity View Post
    Because Ji-Kun hates me and the token does not drop. Not in LFR and not in our Mainraid.
    Nalak sucks too, the only items I get are pvp items.
    Council hates you as well?

  15. #355
    no, but we have lootcouncil for weapons and tokens. And they're checking our BiS Lists, so I have to wait

    BTT pls
    Last edited by Real1sity; 2013-06-08 at 05:10 PM.

  16. #356
    You're doing exactly as good as I'd expect a good player to be doing in the gear you have. Without some context of a problem or notably low dps its really hard to go into logs and find problems out of the blue. If you're wondering why you arent ranking, tighten up your rotation slightly, get a heroic weapon, get your guild to kill bosses faster, and then get a little lucky with procs. If your dps is actually low on a specific fight (it wasn't on the ones I looked at) I'd be glad to look into it, but your single target dps (magaera, twins) is perfectly fine - or at least good enough that it'd be impossible for me to find a problem in the logs.
    with abit of tweaking i managed to rank 19th on wednesday on the jin rokth fight 25 man normal

  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by pinchit View Post
    with abit of tweaking i managed to rank 19th on wednesday on the jin rokth fight 25 man normal
    congrats, now go after that rank1

  18. #358
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRaven View Post
    OK, so how would you describe this ?

    Code:
    [00:27:15.086] Horridon Double Swipe <player> 66972
    [00:27:15.906] Horridon Double Swipe <player> 64182
    [00:27:17.248] Horridon hits <player> 187539
    [00:27:18.527] Horridon hits <player> 244251
    [00:27:19.842] Horridon hits <player> 90769 (O: 111426)
    And how could this happen, where <player> was a pala tank taunting Horridon from me (all other adds and War God were dead) ?
    Taking damage from double swipe is just bad... not gonna touch that topic, if he did it for vengeance replace your tank..

    1.2 sec between each hit. If he wasn't healed at all he has a 675k health pool which is about where I am (hc ret pieces + OS items not stam geared)
    2things prob happend.
    1. He didn't get heals/absorbs for 4.5sec
    2. He didn't use his abilities correct.

    any chance for armory?

    ---------- Post added 2013-06-09 at 12:11 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Real1sity View Post
    Hi,

    I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I feel that my damage isn't that what it should be.
    I've got very good gear but I guess my playstyle is wrong. I'm a buttonmasher and I know it's wrong, because Proccs can be thrown away. I try to stop and "unlearn" this habit.

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Xaeriq/simple
    World of Logs: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-0t4thssd1qionei2/ (Recent Logs are also available)

    I'm using clcinfo, my current Ret prio: inq tv5 tvaw how exoaw jaw exo inqes tv4 j cs tv3
    During Wings I'm using this rotation: HoW>Exo>How>TV , HoW>J>HoW>Exo>HoW>TV or HoW>Exo>HoW>Exo>HoW>TV if AoW proccs.

    I'm trying to improve myself, reading forums & discussions, watching videos etc.

    I Hope you can help me.

    Thank you very much.
    why aren't you using CS at all during wings? During wings I'm How > TV > Exor > CS for priority...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post

    why aren't you using CS at all during wings? During wings I'm How > TV > Exor > CS for priority...
    Without the 4pT15 Judgment is stronger or am I wrong?

  20. #360
    Quote Originally Posted by Real1sity View Post
    Without the 4pT15 Judgment is stronger or am I wrong?
    with a 543 weap and 9k mastery (buffed) and the double dip of the buff to SoL, I don't think this holds anymore. Easy to test anyway. Sadly I'm stuck with a 530 crit/haste and plus, I'm lazy since I have 4p CS is already better ^^

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