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  1. #21
    Yeah i am not saying that Sanct. Wrath is inferior for this fight. Infact, i prefer it over Holy Avenger myself. But if you want to tunnel legs down combined with weak points Holy Avenger is strong aswell. Also, if you are using Divine Storm instead of Templar's Verdict it works well (not your case, just saying).
    About HoW, i find it hard to believe that top parsing ppl was only doing 25 HoWs. That number sounds abit low to say the least.
    Maybe you checked on someone who was NOT using Sanct. Wrath, so that results in less HoWs than someone who is using Sanct. Wrath
    Last edited by Marbas; 2012-11-15 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marbas View Post
    Yeah i am not saying that Sanct. Wrath is inferior for this fight. Infact, i prefer it over Holy Avenger myself. But if you want to tunnel legs down combined with weak points Holy Avenger is strong aswell. Also, if you are using Divine Storm instead of Templar's Verdict it works well (not your case, just saying).
    About HoW, i find it hard to believe that top parsing ppl was only doing 25 HoWs. That number sounds abit low to say the least.
    Maybe you checked on someone who was NOT using Sanct. Wrath, so that results in less HoWs than someone who is using Sanct. Wrath
    Meh my bad.. they had around 25 hits with HoW but I didnt count crits... so they had like 10-15 more HoW's then me. That is definitelly an issue. So using Divine Storm when you are dpsing leg is dps increase? What about HoR instead of CS?
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  3. #23
    Well, i have tried doing both just for the sake of it and i had mixed results. It depends on what your raidgroup needs more. I would advise you to stick to your current way and just focus dpsing down the legs using TV. If you want to split some dps to the boss you can use DS. It depends to where your raid need more dps really.
    Best would be to try both by yourself.
    Using HoR instead of CS is a dps loss for sure. There are simply not enough targets to hit for your HoR to become viable.
    From the other hand, DS is viable on 2 targets, but as i said, if your raid needs more dps on the legs just stick with TV
    Last edited by Marbas; 2012-11-15 at 02:01 PM.

  4. #24
    I can't help but feel I could be doing about 5-10k more DPS than what I am, could use some specialists to analyze what I'm doing wrong;
    http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/161634/

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achim/advanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marbas View Post
    Well, i have tried doing both just for the sake of it and i had mixed results. It depends on what your raidgroup needs more. I would advise you to stick to your current way and just focus dpsing down the legs using TV. If you want to split some dps to the boss you can use DS. It depends to where your raid need more dps really.
    Best would be to try both by yourself.
    Using HoR instead of CS is a dps loss for sure. There are simply not enough targets to hit for your HoR to become viable.
    From the other hand, DS is viable on 2 targets, but as i said, if your raid needs more dps on the legs just stick with TV
    Guess I'm just gonna try to improve inq uptime and pay attention to get trough as much how as possible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold of Skullcrusher View Post
    Guess I'm just gonna try to improve inq uptime and pay attention to get trough as much how as possible...
    You'd really be surprised at how much the damage will add up with your inq uptime.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rasstapp View Post
    I can't help but feel I could be doing about 5-10k more DPS than what I am, could use some specialists to analyze what I'm doing wrong;
    http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/161634/

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achim/advanced
    Give me a little bit to wake up and I'll take a look!

    Can you give us a bit more information,

    Perhaps how you open up, your CD usage and rotation?

    Your Inq uptime is just a slight bit low, aim for 95%+. That will help close your damage gap a slight bit more, find an addon you like for tracking it! Your Hammer of Wrath usage seems low as well. What priority are you going by atm? You should be using it during your AW's.
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    Im registred 2day so i cant post my link to logs and armory, but maybe could u tell me what tier 5 talent is the best now? im 484itlvl dont have any tier 14p. Metar EU Draenor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krekko View Post
    You'd really be surprised at how much the damage will add up with your inq uptime.




    Give me a little bit to wake up and I'll take a look!

    Can you give us a bit more information,

    Perhaps how you open up, your CD usage and rotation?
    I open up with Pre-pot, then Guardian the second I get in range with a Judgment to actually make the guardian hit the boss, and an exorcism while I'm on the way to melee-range. I recently got WeakAuras and added auras for Dancing Steel & Lei Shin's Final Orders to make it easier to use ES with both of them up. CDs are used mostly on cooldown as long as I know I'll have ~95% uptime during them. Once I reach the 5min marker I'll save all my CDs (bar ES if there's more than 1min left CD on AW or HA) to ramp them all up at the same time with the 2nd potion.

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    hey i am looking for some help
    it feels like i am doing less dmg compared to others
    I could use all the tips to get a bit better
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...n/Dalko/simple
    www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-k79p9u58cbcuzd0h/

    had to use the dots because i cant post links yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metar View Post
    Im registred 2day so i cant post my link to logs and armory, but maybe could u tell me what tier 5 talent is the best now? im 484itlvl dont have any tier 14p. Metar EU Draenor
    With 4 piece it's going to be SW, but HA or SW depending on the needs of the fight.
    Last edited by Krekko; 2012-11-29 at 08:28 PM.
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  11. #31
    I got a question, i got two trinkets lei shin and the shado pan use trinket, both 489. And im wondering how I should use them. Ofc I try to combine them together, but it seems to me that the Lei shin got 45 sec ICD and the shado pan got 1 minute... anny sugestions how i should use my cooldowns and trinkets?

  12. #32
    Hi, just wondering where I am messing up with DPS and I'm wondering why its a bit low.

    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...loodyen/simple
    Alternate Specs/Glyphs: None
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/0njv1...s=9469&e=10043
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    Thanks for the speed reply (hopefully) this time.

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    Hey guys, I'm really not sure what I am doing wrong here, but I feel as if my DPS could be higher... I've linked my guilds WoL from a fresh HoF clear yesterday and also our first Tsulong kill. My GM/RL is also concerned about my DPS not being on-par with some of our other guildies, tbh I am a bit clueless about why my dps is low, unless I am being utterly stupid and missing out one obvious thing. So here are my details (can't post links yet I'm afraid!):

    Armory Link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...edhuman/simple
    Alternate Specs/Glyphs: Current one's on armory (sometimes use HA instead of Sanct. Wrath
    Worldoflogs Link: www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-5zdjs5uqwydpbcyd/
    Description of Playstyle: On the pull I pre-pot, use judgement for speed increase then hit GoAK, (if using HA wait 10 seconds) then prio TV(5hp) > HoW > Exo > CS > Judge > TV(3hp). I use Execution sentence at the start of each fight once trinkets have procced, with wings and as many stacks from GoAK as possible, I then use ES on cd (unless trinkets are about to come off ICD). If using HA I use it on cd (or delay a few seconds so I have most uptime) and I usually save GoAK for my 2nd HoW/3rd HA and I use my second pot with my guardian.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
    Thanks.
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    Hello I need a good amount of help I am one of the lowest dps in my raid and in trouble of possibly losing my raiding spot. Sorry I can't post links yet.

    Here is my armory: us[dot]battle[dot]net/wow/en/character/moknathal/Frankincar/advanced

    I switch glyphs and tier 6 talents for certain fights, the current set-up is for Garalon where I was not helping in any sense.

    Here is logs for our time in HoF: worldoflogs[dot]com/reports/mj8vx0wuvbzmia75/
    Any advice would be helpful on a patchwerk fight I can do about 70k and movement fights it drops to 40k I know something is not right I just don't know what been playing Prot for the past 2 years so anything will help.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Rustedhuman View Post
    Hey guys, I'm really not sure what I am doing wrong here, but I feel as if my DPS could be higher... I've linked my guilds WoL from a fresh HoF clear yesterday and also our first Tsulong kill. My GM/RL is also concerned about my DPS not being on-par with some of our other guildies, tbh I am a bit clueless about why my dps is low, unless I am being utterly stupid and missing out one obvious thing. So here are my details (can't post links yet I'm afraid!).
    My gear is 4 ilvls lower then you're but like you I'm also missing out on an epic weapon (and like you I'm not using the expensive enchant on the weapon since we are just a casual guild). I'm just looking at the first fight right now (Vizier) and both the warrior and the dk that beats you on the dps got epic weapons.

    When I sim myselfe with the epic Elegon weapon + the best enchant that's an dpsincrease of over 6K dps so It will most likely be about the same for you. If you add 6K dps to your dps it puts you better in level with the other dps in your raid. You also have to remember that pally-dps is pretty weak right now, if you look at the logs from that boss on 10 man normal you'll see that DKs are doing about an average dps of 3K more then ret and Warriors about 6K more then rets.

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    Hey Guys,

    First of all Iam new here so please forgive me if I post in the wrong thread or didnt read everything until now.
    Yesterday I was lucky enough to get my 2-set bonus but now Iam not sure if i should rly switch to it.

    Here's my armory link: (Sry Iam not allowed, just search for me. Name: Fiskaron, Realm: EU-Lothar, Guild: Set Sail for Fail)

    I could change my Chest and my Hands to the 483's 2-set-bonus but I would lose sooo much haste.
    So what do you think, is it worth it to switch to the set bonus or should I stay with my current gear until i can get the 4-set-bonus?
    And if i do so, should I stick to sanc wrath or switch to divine purpose/ holy avenger for more TV's infight?


    thanks a lot, Fiskaron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskaron View Post
    Hey Guys,

    First of all Iam new here so please forgive me if I post in the wrong thread or didnt read everything until now.
    Yesterday I was lucky enough to get my 2-set bonus but now Iam not sure if i should rly switch to it.

    Here's my armory link: (Sry Iam not allowed, just search for me. Name: Fiskaron, Realm: EU-Lothar, Guild: Set Sail for Fail)

    I could change my Chest and my Hands to the 483's 2-set-bonus but I would lose sooo much haste.
    So what do you think, is it worth it to switch to the set bonus or should I stay with my current gear until i can get the 4-set-bonus?
    And if i do so, should I stick to sanc wrath or switch to divine purpose/ holy avenger for more TV's infight?


    thanks a lot, Fiskaron
    You appear to have logged out in holy gear. Might want to fix that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskaron View Post
    Hey Guys,

    First of all Iam new here so please forgive me if I post in the wrong thread or didnt read everything until now.
    Yesterday I was lucky enough to get my 2-set bonus but now Iam not sure if i should rly switch to it.

    Here's my armory link: (Sry Iam not allowed, just search for me. Name: Fiskaron, Realm: EU-Lothar, Guild: Set Sail for Fail)

    I could change my Chest and my Hands to the 483's 2-set-bonus but I would lose sooo much haste.
    So what do you think, is it worth it to switch to the set bonus or should I stay with my current gear until i can get the 4-set-bonus?
    And if i do so, should I stick to sanc wrath or switch to divine purpose/ holy avenger for more TV's infight?


    thanks a lot, Fiskaron
    Think you'll find the set bonus to be beneficial despite the loss of haste
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    Think you'll find the set bonus to be beneficial despite the loss of haste
    So I just tried it out now at the dummie.
    I lost round about 1,9% haste (now 19,08%) and 1,5% mastery to gain more than 3% crit and Iam slightly overcapped with expertise (2305 as human) and I cant reforge it away. So the stats look a bit weird, but I still deal round about 800k more DMG in a 5 minute fight with Holy Avenger instead of Sanc Wrath.

    I think i will stick with it and try it out at my next raid at sunday, or what do you guys think?

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    How are your guys DPS in raid progression? I just joined a top raiding guild on my server and I'm just getting smoked by everything. Both ret paladins seem to be on the lower end of the spectrum. We both sit at around 482 ilevel, and while we are competing with people around 489-490+ it's not uncommon to see people pulling 25-30k higher in DPS.

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