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  1. #741
    Hey guys, been playing Ret now for like 1.5 months in a 12/14 HC guild. Been playing Prot during my whole life-time in wow. I think i am doin good with the current gear i have, but i think i can do ALOT more, doin some good dps compared to the geared peeps in the guild, according to logs.

    Here is the logs from last weeks reset, up to Siegecrafter. http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7ntwBbaK6FXyJ9Wc

    My armory; http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Amina/advanced

    My CLCRET String; inq inqes tvaw howaw ds_4t16_5hp tv5 how ds_4t16 cs j exo tv3 ss

    Im not sure if i should use my Epic JC gems for Haste/Mastery, or if i should go for pure strenght on those 2.

    Any experienced Ret know if my string is bad (I use Sanctified Wrath) for Single target fights, and DP for Aoe fights. I tend to use ES on every single fight basically, except of Siegecrafter, where i use Lights Hammer due to the slow effect and the minor aoe dmg on mines.

    I feel that i can do a lot more, but i dont know what to improve. I've been trying to lower my mastery, and getting higher haste, and vice versa, now i am inbetween. Im running with 19k Haste and 60% mastery (70% raidbuffed) Feels that i should get more mastery and lower my haste even more.

    ALL help is needed, thanks in advance, and sorry for my fast and quick post.

  2. #742
    Hello all, just rerolled from protpally to retribution for helping a 13/14 NM SoO raid from some friends.

    My armory; eu.battle.net/wow/es/character/dun-modr/Salskaa/simple

    My CLCRET String; inq inqes ds_4t16_5hp tvdp tv5 how ds_4t16 tvaw cs j exo tv3 ss

    I have some questions:

    1- Is it ok going for 17k haste with my gear?

    2- I have an heroic chest and shoulders and an heroic wf helm from my tank gear but i think it is more worthy going with this 4 set T16 no ?

    3- DP or SW? Because some SW is a beast but I don't have the galakras trinket so I no reduced AW. Should I be staying with DP? We are going to progress on Garrosh though.

    I would apreciate whatever improvement you think I can make, even in the clcrotation which I just updated. Big hug and thank you!

    P.S: There are some items I won't change the enchants/reforge/gems because they are for my Tank setup and I won't change them because with my main guild I'm progressing on garrosh HC (legs, waist, wrist, neck, etc...)

  3. #743
    Without the CD red trinket, you can choose to go with either really since the T16 should be doing a lot of legwork as far as your sustained damage is concerned. Still, I'd personally go for Sanctified Wrath. It's an extra 10 seconds of 20% more damage across the board. Can't underestimate it.

    I don't use CLC (no t16 4 set or even 2 set at the moment) so I can't really help on that one.

  4. #744
    Hey guys, been following these anaxie Threads for a long time now and just wanted to say thanks for all the info from everybody.

    i have just started raiding again in the last month or so and im abit dissapointed with my damage on fights like Sha and Seigecrafter (when i get to tunnel boss) im at about 220k but on fights like garrosh, im lucky to see 160k buy the time we hit P3 and for the life of me i cant see what im doing wrong.

    here is my armory link (cant link) us.battle.net/wow/en/character/khazgoroth/ Templ%C3%A1r/advanced

    i know im over expertise cap, but i was hoping to replace some of the expertise heavy gear last night......

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    change some of your exp gems to str (str+haste) until you can drop more exp on gear, once you get to 17k haste rating and get a better wep you'll see a big difference. We don't scale amazingly well but the difference (and enjoyment of "rotation") from 10k haste to 17k is very noticeable. If you wanted you could put a 320 haste gem in your devilfang band (ring) as you don't get any benefit from the socket bonus at the moment, not much to optimize on your current gear apart from that. Just play and get upgrades.

    Oh and one thing, that I suggest to any ret palas. Engineering + Blacksmithing, alongside with Tailoring they're the best professions for us in MoP. In WoD things might change, snapshotting being removed kinda removes some of the Engineering power but engineering is engineering. So many situational tools <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post

    Oh and one thing, that I suggest to any ret palas. Engineering + Blacksmithing, alongside with Tailoring they're the best professions for us in MoP. In WoD things might change, snapshotting being removed kinda removes some of the Engineering power but engineering is engineering. So many situational tools <3
    I've had BSing since Vanilla, switching between JCing and Engineering for MoP, and it seriously has been the best quality of life improvement I have seen. Sure I don't make much, if any money off of it, but the situational tools it has are just too good to pass up. <3 speed boost, when it works, when it doesn't </3.

    The added DPS benefit + all the QOL improvements make engineering too good of a choice. Also, I find as a plate class the longevity of it's usefulness vastly more interesting (as opposed to tailoring).
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    levelling engineering is on the way, trying to save gold for it where i can.

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    Look up guides for engineering on the internet, Tarouwowguides is my fav.
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    Quote Originally Posted by templarkhaz View Post
    levelling engineering is on the way, trying to save gold for it where i can.
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  10. #750
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/t...=10331&e=10566

    Malkorok 25Man from Monday. It says LFR but it was a Normal run. The server went a bit conkers at one point so a few people got stuck in a breath but otherwise it was a one shot. Looking at the damage by spells, I feel like I either didn't use Divine Crusader on proc or overwrote it accidentally at a few points.

    How many Crusader Strikes to Judgments should I be putting out in such a fight? Says it was 31 of each with Judgment just basically producing more crits compared to CS, though Hand of Light obviously has its own piece of the damage pie.

    Gear wise it's different to my armory currently. Was using a Flex Tier Shoulder, Flex Tier Head and a Heroic Chestplate of Congealed Corrosion. My Mastery was around 4% less if I recall correctly.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...kyrst/advanced

    On that note, I've got quite a few bits and pieces to upgrade including a Warforged Jagged Pike and 553 Legplates of Unthinking Strife. What should I upgrade?

    Also, should I be using the Tier Flex Head over the Warforged Thranok and then swap out the Tier legs for the Unthinking Strife ones? I'd be removing the Crit portion of the legs and putting in more Haste but losing some as well until I get the Normal Tier Helm.
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  11. #751
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/t...=10331&e=10566

    Malkorok 25Man from Monday. It says LFR but it was a Normal run. The server went a bit conkers at one point so a few people got stuck in a breath but otherwise it was a one shot. Looking at the damage by spells, I feel like I either didn't use Divine Crusader on proc or overwrote it accidentally at a few points.

    How many Crusader Strikes to Judgments should I be putting out in such a fight? Says it was 31 of each with Judgment just basically producing more crits compared to CS, though Hand of Light obviously has its own piece of the damage pie.

    Gear wise it's different to my armory currently. Was using a Flex Tier Shoulder, Flex Tier Head and a Heroic Chestplate of Congealed Corrosion. My Mastery was around 4% less if I recall correctly.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...kyrst/advanced

    On that note, I've got quite a few bits and pieces to upgrade including a Warforged Jagged Pike and 553 Legplates of Unthinking Strife. What should I upgrade?

    Also, should I be using the Tier Flex Head over the Warforged Thranok and then swap out the Tier legs for the Unthinking Strife ones? I'd be removing the Crit portion of the legs and putting in more Haste but losing some as well until I get the Normal Tier Helm.
    The first thing is upgrading a weapon upgrade is always your #1 priority, followed by BiS pieces.
    The gear choice is somewhat a toss up, it is so close it really doesn't matter. If you want to know you should sim/mrrobot which setup is better. Crit is almost the same value as mastery so having crit on the legs isn't a huge issue, but the 3 sockets on the garrosh legs are better than the 2 on tier. But the yellow sockets are more favorable than the 2 blue and 1 red on the garrosh legs. I would say your current gear setup is slightly more favorable, but that's not for sure

    Just as comparison, this is my malk kill from yesterday : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=5417&e=5673
    I had 44 crusader strikes and 30 judgements where as you have 41 crusader strikes and 45 judgements, and your kill was actually shorter in duration.
    The MAJOR thing I notice is that I have 58 Hammer of wrath's and you only have 25. HoW is our hardest hitting ability (even more than CS).
    While you have wings up at any point, every other global should always be HoW, something like this:
    AW poped! HoW>CS>HoW>TV>HoW>CS>HoW>TV>HoW>CS>HoW>TV rinse and repeat (replace CS with 4pc(4+HP)>ES>4pc when available).

    Take in mind my log is heroic so I will have much higher DS damage than you but this is normal, heroic has adds that can be cleaved down
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    Alrighty. More HoW and more CS.
    Last edited by Valkyrst; 2014-03-27 at 04:32 PM.

  13. #753
    help whit my DPS i cant pass 100k mark is it couse of weap or am i doing something wrong ...

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...st/Roby/simple

    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by t0xaris View Post
    help whit my DPS i cant pass 100k mark is it couse of weap or am i doing something wrong ...

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...st/Roby/simple

    Thx
    Reforge away all expertise on your gear, absolutely everything. You have way too much Expertise on your gear, the cap is 2550 without sword (human racial bonus) 2250 or something like that with sword (human racial bonus).
    Get new trinkets, both of them are horrible.
    Yes your dps can be contributed from bad gear but 100k is doable in blues, without any logs I can't tell anything about your Inquisition uptime or rotation.
    CLCret is a good helping addon if you're new to ret.
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  15. #755
    After recently raiding with a normal mode guild i find my dps lacking. I'm using SW and following the correct rotations. The only thing I see wrong is the weapon enchant.
    Armory- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...s/Knocx/simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsteroverlord View Post
    After recently raiding with a normal mode guild i find my dps lacking. I'm using SW and following the correct rotations. The only thing I see wrong is the weapon enchant.
    Armory- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...s/Knocx/simple
    Fix your gems and enchants!
    Reforge away all expertise on items, all of it.
    Then gem exp + haste until you're expertise capped, when you get expertise capped with gems go for STR + haste gems.
    Blue gems should be hit + haste, your head gem is wrong.
    Stat prio is this: 2haste > 1str meaning that str gems are worthless because you can make expertise on gear into haste / mastery and gem exp + haste instead. Effectively making your exp on gems turn into haste or mastery, check my armory for an example of properly used gems + reforges.
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  17. #757
    Quote Originally Posted by hamsteroverlord View Post
    After recently raiding with a normal mode guild i find my dps lacking. I'm using SW and following the correct rotations. The only thing I see wrong is the weapon enchant.
    Armory- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...s/Knocx/simple
    You are really under expertise cap. Cap expertise with exp + haste gems in red, you get more item budget points that way. Alternately, you are so over hit cap it hurts. Reforge off the hit on your boots, better yet get other boots...even wolfriders on flex are better than Sha boots for us. Put a straight Haste gem in your sword, 60 str isn't worth losing 160 extra haste and it'll help you get your hit down.

    Your cloak has no enchant. 180 crit is cheap as hell, not having orange cloak isn't an excuse.

    Dancing Steel on your weapon, not Windsong. Sha Crystals are cheap as hell thanks to TI, so buy some and get a guildie to enchant. Same with bracers, 180 str you're missing.

    Level your blacksmithing. Ditch mining if you want to squeeze some more stats out, if not it's not that big of a deal since profession bonuses are going byebye in WoD. I tank part-time so I'm keeping it personally.

  18. #758
    Armory Link: eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/kazzak/Tcbhome/simple
    (srry i can post a link to here.)

    What am I doing wrong? my dps its 120k

    My rotation: inq tv5 howaw tv4aw exoaw tvaw how exo cs j tv3 inqes ss

    Srry for my english

  19. #759
    I'm not necessarily looking for help, but I would like for someone to look at my armory and logs. Just to check if I'm gemming, enchanting, etc. correctly. And whether my damage looks about right for my gear level.

    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Jayce/advanced
    Logs (Sha of Pride): http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done

  20. #760
    Armory : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...inara/advanced
    http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...-done&source=4 log for malk (closest to pure ST)
    My dps seems low even accounting for gemming/reforging, the missing 4 piece and no galakras trinket.
    Any suggestions to fix ? (The only mistake i realized later, is that since i wouldn't get a 3rd use out of HA/SW i probably should've delayed it till kings were up)

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