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  1. #741
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kragshot View Post
    Alright...my guild is starting on heroics, so I'm definitely looking to kick my gameplay up to the next level, so to speak.

    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...aakan/advanced

    I'm using this rotation (inq inqdp ds_4t16_5hp tv5 tvdp_2s how ds_4t16_aw tvaw cs j ds_4t16 tvdp exo tv3 ) in CLC info and I'm currently using Divine Purpose as I seem to be getting better numbers even on single target fights.

    Unfortunately, I have no WoL parses available as for whatever reason, my guild has stopped reporting.

    So, if anyone can give me a basic analysis based upon my gemming and reforging as indicated on my armory report, I'd appreciate any advice.

    By the way, I have a Normal Polearm (off of Thok), but I'm using the sword because it's warforged...should I switch back to the pike or keep things as they are until I get either a warforged or heroic polearm?

    Thanks in advance.
    - You should use the WF sword. The sword on equal footing (HC v HC or NWF v NWF) would be better for you either way since you're a human.
    - Without looking into too much detail you have your gemming and reforging done incorrectly as highlighted:
    In both your legs and belt you have haste/stam gems where you COULD have haste/hit gems. With this extra hit you could reforge out of hit other places on your gear (gloves look juicy for some mastery).
    You currently have 18057 haste (42.49%) but it would be a dps gain to switch ~1000 of that into mastery via gems or reforges.
    You have 8.53% Expertise and only need 7.50%. It looks like you put your character into some reforge addon that aimed at the 2550 mark (hit cap for humans NOT using a sword/mace) but since you're using a sword you can afford to drop that 1% expertise, most likely by dropping some number of exp/haste or exp/mast gems into str/haste or str/mast, respectively.
    - You should change around your glyphs. How I set my glyphs up for SoO is using Glyph of TV every fight, with a mixture of glyph of mass Exo, Glyph of double jeopardy, and glyph of inquisition for the other two spots.
    I would guess it would be worthwhile to reforge your cloak from crit->exp and lose even more exp gems out for str gems.

    I don't use CLC ret but I can tell you 100% that SW is far superior to DP on single target fights and for like 12/14 of the fights in SoO.
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  2. #742
    Convert all physical dmg to holy.

    Profit.

  3. #743
    Quote Originally Posted by Farabee View Post
    The problem is that if you aren't hitting CS every time it's up and building your rotation around that 6 second cooldown, you're losing out on HP generation. CS always comes first, even before TV (unless you're at 5 HP).

    This is dicey at best simply because even the built-in Blizzard gear swap doesn't always work. Plus, why do I have to grind out PVP gear to have what should essentially be a built-in ability to start the fight with enough HP to Inq?
    Okay, awesome. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Okay, awesome. Thank you.
    but seriously, buy rare Holy pvp set, low investement for using cds in pull With Max power,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticAzeryx View Post
    Using Divine Purpose.
    Found your problem

    edit: you are missing 7 enchants out the possible 9 you could have, and 1 of the 2 you have is wrong
    2/5 gems are wrong
    Also I was serious DP is complete shit single target compared to SW

    but really please at least put 2 minutes of effort into your character before coming here and expecting other people to
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    Hey guys, been playing Ret now for like 1.5 months in a 12/14 HC guild. Been playing Prot during my whole life-time in wow. I think i am doin good with the current gear i have, but i think i can do ALOT more, doin some good dps compared to the geared peeps in the guild, according to logs.

    Here is the logs from last weeks reset, up to Siegecrafter. http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7ntwBbaK6FXyJ9Wc

    My armory; http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Amina/advanced

    My CLCRET String; inq inqes tvaw howaw ds_4t16_5hp tv5 how ds_4t16 cs j exo tv3 ss

    Im not sure if i should use my Epic JC gems for Haste/Mastery, or if i should go for pure strenght on those 2.

    Any experienced Ret know if my string is bad (I use Sanctified Wrath) for Single target fights, and DP for Aoe fights. I tend to use ES on every single fight basically, except of Siegecrafter, where i use Lights Hammer due to the slow effect and the minor aoe dmg on mines.

    I feel that i can do a lot more, but i dont know what to improve. I've been trying to lower my mastery, and getting higher haste, and vice versa, now i am inbetween. Im running with 19k Haste and 60% mastery (70% raidbuffed) Feels that i should get more mastery and lower my haste even more.

    ALL help is needed, thanks in advance, and sorry for my fast and quick post.

  8. #748
    Hello all, just rerolled from protpally to retribution for helping a 13/14 NM SoO raid from some friends.

    My armory; eu.battle.net/wow/es/character/dun-modr/Salskaa/simple

    My CLCRET String; inq inqes ds_4t16_5hp tvdp tv5 how ds_4t16 tvaw cs j exo tv3 ss

    I have some questions:

    1- Is it ok going for 17k haste with my gear?

    2- I have an heroic chest and shoulders and an heroic wf helm from my tank gear but i think it is more worthy going with this 4 set T16 no ?

    3- DP or SW? Because some SW is a beast but I don't have the galakras trinket so I no reduced AW. Should I be staying with DP? We are going to progress on Garrosh though.

    I would apreciate whatever improvement you think I can make, even in the clcrotation which I just updated. Big hug and thank you!

    P.S: There are some items I won't change the enchants/reforge/gems because they are for my Tank setup and I won't change them because with my main guild I'm progressing on garrosh HC (legs, waist, wrist, neck, etc...)

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    Without the CD red trinket, you can choose to go with either really since the T16 should be doing a lot of legwork as far as your sustained damage is concerned. Still, I'd personally go for Sanctified Wrath. It's an extra 10 seconds of 20% more damage across the board. Can't underestimate it.

    I don't use CLC (no t16 4 set or even 2 set at the moment) so I can't really help on that one.

  10. #750
    Hey guys, been following these anaxie Threads for a long time now and just wanted to say thanks for all the info from everybody.

    i have just started raiding again in the last month or so and im abit dissapointed with my damage on fights like Sha and Seigecrafter (when i get to tunnel boss) im at about 220k but on fights like garrosh, im lucky to see 160k buy the time we hit P3 and for the life of me i cant see what im doing wrong.

    here is my armory link (cant link) us.battle.net/wow/en/character/khazgoroth/ Templ%C3%A1r/advanced

    i know im over expertise cap, but i was hoping to replace some of the expertise heavy gear last night......

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    change some of your exp gems to str (str+haste) until you can drop more exp on gear, once you get to 17k haste rating and get a better wep you'll see a big difference. We don't scale amazingly well but the difference (and enjoyment of "rotation") from 10k haste to 17k is very noticeable. If you wanted you could put a 320 haste gem in your devilfang band (ring) as you don't get any benefit from the socket bonus at the moment, not much to optimize on your current gear apart from that. Just play and get upgrades.

    Oh and one thing, that I suggest to any ret palas. Engineering + Blacksmithing, alongside with Tailoring they're the best professions for us in MoP. In WoD things might change, snapshotting being removed kinda removes some of the Engineering power but engineering is engineering. So many situational tools <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post

    Oh and one thing, that I suggest to any ret palas. Engineering + Blacksmithing, alongside with Tailoring they're the best professions for us in MoP. In WoD things might change, snapshotting being removed kinda removes some of the Engineering power but engineering is engineering. So many situational tools <3
    I've had BSing since Vanilla, switching between JCing and Engineering for MoP, and it seriously has been the best quality of life improvement I have seen. Sure I don't make much, if any money off of it, but the situational tools it has are just too good to pass up. <3 speed boost, when it works, when it doesn't </3.

    The added DPS benefit + all the QOL improvements make engineering too good of a choice. Also, I find as a plate class the longevity of it's usefulness vastly more interesting (as opposed to tailoring).
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    levelling engineering is on the way, trying to save gold for it where i can.

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    Look up guides for engineering on the internet, Tarouwowguides is my fav.
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    Quote Originally Posted by templarkhaz View Post
    levelling engineering is on the way, trying to save gold for it where i can.
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    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/t...=10331&e=10566

    Malkorok 25Man from Monday. It says LFR but it was a Normal run. The server went a bit conkers at one point so a few people got stuck in a breath but otherwise it was a one shot. Looking at the damage by spells, I feel like I either didn't use Divine Crusader on proc or overwrote it accidentally at a few points.

    How many Crusader Strikes to Judgments should I be putting out in such a fight? Says it was 31 of each with Judgment just basically producing more crits compared to CS, though Hand of Light obviously has its own piece of the damage pie.

    Gear wise it's different to my armory currently. Was using a Flex Tier Shoulder, Flex Tier Head and a Heroic Chestplate of Congealed Corrosion. My Mastery was around 4% less if I recall correctly.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...kyrst/advanced

    On that note, I've got quite a few bits and pieces to upgrade including a Warforged Jagged Pike and 553 Legplates of Unthinking Strife. What should I upgrade?

    Also, should I be using the Tier Flex Head over the Warforged Thranok and then swap out the Tier legs for the Unthinking Strife ones? I'd be removing the Crit portion of the legs and putting in more Haste but losing some as well until I get the Normal Tier Helm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/t...=10331&e=10566

    Malkorok 25Man from Monday. It says LFR but it was a Normal run. The server went a bit conkers at one point so a few people got stuck in a breath but otherwise it was a one shot. Looking at the damage by spells, I feel like I either didn't use Divine Crusader on proc or overwrote it accidentally at a few points.

    How many Crusader Strikes to Judgments should I be putting out in such a fight? Says it was 31 of each with Judgment just basically producing more crits compared to CS, though Hand of Light obviously has its own piece of the damage pie.

    Gear wise it's different to my armory currently. Was using a Flex Tier Shoulder, Flex Tier Head and a Heroic Chestplate of Congealed Corrosion. My Mastery was around 4% less if I recall correctly.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...kyrst/advanced

    On that note, I've got quite a few bits and pieces to upgrade including a Warforged Jagged Pike and 553 Legplates of Unthinking Strife. What should I upgrade?

    Also, should I be using the Tier Flex Head over the Warforged Thranok and then swap out the Tier legs for the Unthinking Strife ones? I'd be removing the Crit portion of the legs and putting in more Haste but losing some as well until I get the Normal Tier Helm.
    The first thing is upgrading a weapon upgrade is always your #1 priority, followed by BiS pieces.
    The gear choice is somewhat a toss up, it is so close it really doesn't matter. If you want to know you should sim/mrrobot which setup is better. Crit is almost the same value as mastery so having crit on the legs isn't a huge issue, but the 3 sockets on the garrosh legs are better than the 2 on tier. But the yellow sockets are more favorable than the 2 blue and 1 red on the garrosh legs. I would say your current gear setup is slightly more favorable, but that's not for sure

    Just as comparison, this is my malk kill from yesterday : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=5417&e=5673
    I had 44 crusader strikes and 30 judgements where as you have 41 crusader strikes and 45 judgements, and your kill was actually shorter in duration.
    The MAJOR thing I notice is that I have 58 Hammer of wrath's and you only have 25. HoW is our hardest hitting ability (even more than CS).
    While you have wings up at any point, every other global should always be HoW, something like this:
    AW poped! HoW>CS>HoW>TV>HoW>CS>HoW>TV>HoW>CS>HoW>TV rinse and repeat (replace CS with 4pc(4+HP)>ES>4pc when available).

    Take in mind my log is heroic so I will have much higher DS damage than you but this is normal, heroic has adds that can be cleaved down
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    Alrighty. More HoW and more CS.
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    help whit my DPS i cant pass 100k mark is it couse of weap or am i doing something wrong ...

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    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by t0xaris View Post
    help whit my DPS i cant pass 100k mark is it couse of weap or am i doing something wrong ...

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    Thx
    Reforge away all expertise on your gear, absolutely everything. You have way too much Expertise on your gear, the cap is 2550 without sword (human racial bonus) 2250 or something like that with sword (human racial bonus).
    Get new trinkets, both of them are horrible.
    Yes your dps can be contributed from bad gear but 100k is doable in blues, without any logs I can't tell anything about your Inquisition uptime or rotation.
    CLCret is a good helping addon if you're new to ret.
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