[Ret] Fix my DPS!

[Requital]

If you dont have access to WoL log but have another log format how would one go about posting it? for example i just recently got WoWCardioRaid so that I could start looking at my own logs.

Best to just log the combat and upload it to world of logs, You could export the offline parser to a website and parse it that way but sure is a lot of work.

[Venters]

Well here is a link to the logs that my guild has for me:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...i9u/details/4/

Hopefully someone can help me with it since I can't really make heads or tails with it.

Here is my armory:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mitsuki/simple

I've used Ask Mr. Robot to reforge and I use ClCret.

Mostly they've asked me why is my TV damage so low and my Exorcism damage is so much higher. As they've said that for my gear level my damage output should be significantly higher, so I'll definitely take any pointers anyone can give me.

[Requital]

Well here is a link to the logs that my guild has for me:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...i9u/details/4/

Hopefully someone can help me with it since I can't really make heads or tails with it.

Here is my armory:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mitsuki/simple

I've used Ask Mr. Robot to reforge and I use ClCret.

Mostly they've asked me why is my TV damage so low and my Exorcism damage is so much higher. As they've said that for my gear level my damage output should be significantly higher, so I'll definitely take any pointers anyone can give me.

w/e in your guild is telling you that your damage is too low for TV doesn't understand Ret damage but the fights you linked are horrible fights to judge someone on. Stone Guard it can be done a number of ways to pad that isn't really needed. Amber Shaper also a bad fight to judge DPS last but not least Shek'Zeer another shitty fight to judge damage on.

So first off blue weapon your TV damage is going to hurt from that weapon alone your exorcism is going to be high. However that aside you are using Holy Avenger I'd advise against it. If you aren't doing LFR regularly you should be trying really hard to get that 4PC ASAP. You are lining up your CD's good so that is a plus you just need a new weapon asap.

I know it doesn't help much telling your guild you are doing fine when they don't believe you but you should at least get them to show you a parse with someone in equal gear with a blue weapon not getting some special job doing more. I really doubt they can find one but if they can I'd like to see it as well, What priority are you following in/out of clcret?

[Venters]

pretty much I've been doing exo > cs > judge and TV at 5HoPo and only using ES when I've my Darkmoon trinket proc or during wings/Goak.

As you can see I've had shitty luck with certain drops. I'm sitting on a LFR tier headpiece token until I can get either the shoulders or legs. My plan was with the 4pc HA would then line up better with Wings. Until then do you suggest Sanctified Wrath or Divine Purpose?

Sad thing is I've tried to explain to them that due to my blue weapon my TV is going to hit like a limp noodle whereas with my gear being better I'd have more spellpower and thus Exo would hit harder. I don't know if they believe me or not because apparently my guild has had expert ret players in the past who said its not all about weapon damage -_-.

edit:
also have a report for Tsulong:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/d...gcy/details/7/
and Garalon where I did poorly
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...r6y/details/4/

[Requital]

pretty much I've been doing exo > cs > judge and TV at 5HoPo and only using ES when I've my Darkmoon trinket proc or during wings/Goak.

As you can see I've had shitty luck with certain drops. I'm sitting on a LFR tier headpiece token until I can get either the shoulders or legs. My plan was with the 4pc HA would then line up better with Wings. Until then do you suggest Sanctified Wrath or Divine Purpose?

Sad thing is I've tried to explain to them that due to my blue weapon my TV is going to hit like a limp noodle whereas with my gear being better I'd have more spellpower and thus Exo would hit harder. I don't know if they believe me or not because apparently my guild has had expert ret players in the past who said its not all about weapon damage -_-.

edit:
also have a report for Tsulong:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/d...gcy/details/7/
and Garalon where I did poorly
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...r6y/details/4/

Priority would be Inq -> TV5 -> ES -> HoW -> Exo -> CS -> J -> TV3-4 - That is exactly what you should follow slightly confused by your TV5 as the way you typed it you would be using it last and that definitely isn't good. So long as it's first after Inq that will help if you have been using it at the end that would be a reason your TV damage is low.

I didn't actually through your HoPo generation too busy trying to kill Shek'zeer I'll dig through your log more in depth when I finish. Also please consider using Sanctified Wrath and see how it works out for you.

[Alessandrahk]

Hi all, was hoping to get some help here

My gemming and reforging have been checked many times are are all ok, but I am struggling with maximizing my dps.

My priority is Inquisition > Templar's Verdict > Execution Sentence > Hammer of Wrath > Exorcism > Crusader Strike > Judgement > Templar's Verdict.I have been using Holy Wrath, Avenging Wrath and Guardian and I make sure Inquisition is on at all times and I can't tell why, but my DPS is low compared to other local Retribution. Here are some logs. I understand that Wind Lord's phase 1 works differently ( Seal of Righteousness, Hammer, Divine Storm, Inquisition up because of adds ) but I'd also appreciate any feedback. It's quite clear I'm doing something wrong and falling behind.


Does anything stand out? Any advice? Thank you in advance.


Imperial Vizier:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...5/?s=127&e=511

Blade Lord:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...?s=3206&e=3623

Garalon:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...?s=5694&e=6113

Wind Lord:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/g...vtn/details/8/

[Monoroth]

@Alessandrahk

Looking at your logs your Inq uptime was very low on Wind Lord and on Blade Lord, you should try to keep that 95%+.
Next thing I noticed your CD usage. On start of fight you pre pot you waited 10 sec or so then used all cd's GOAK+AW+HA. You should use Pot + Goak, aint ideal but you'll get more from pot like this, after about 5-7 you should be around 10 stacks on GoaK,then you should use AW+HA + ofc with INQ and follow your burst rotation. This way you'll use pot to it's max. at start plus trinket procs and your burst should be much higher then it's now.

One more thing about CD usage, for example on Wind Lord, fight lasted 7 min 51 sec, which means you should have used HA and AW 3 times both lined up. You paused HA/AW for next GoaK which was bad cause fight lasted way more then 5 min 30 sec. You should have poped all cd's at start as you did but with right prio, then once you get HA/AW you should use them again, and yo ucan delay them if trinket procs aren't to far, then 3rd time your goak will be up so you pop GoaK, after 5 sec potion after 5 sec AW/HA. Depend on lenght of the fight you could delay HA/AW with GoaK and pot even just to line them up with trinket procs, just so you can get max burst.

[Requital]

Hi all, was hoping to get some help here

My gemming and reforging have been checked many times are are all ok, but I am struggling with maximizing my dps.

My priority is Inquisition > Templar's Verdict > Execution Sentence > Hammer of Wrath > Exorcism > Crusader Strike > Judgement > Templar's Verdict.I have been using Holy Wrath, Avenging Wrath and Guardian and I make sure Inquisition is on at all times and I can't tell why, but my DPS is low compared to other local Retribution. Here are some logs. I understand that Wind Lord's phase 1 works differently ( Seal of Righteousness, Hammer, Divine Storm, Inquisition up because of adds ) but I'd also appreciate any feedback. It's quite clear I'm doing something wrong and falling behind.


Does anything stand out? Any advice? Thank you in advance.


Imperial Vizier:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...5/?s=127&e=511

Blade Lord:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...?s=3206&e=3623

Garalon:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...?s=5694&e=6113

Wind Lord:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/g...vtn/details/8/

You lined up CD's effectively but you are using HA, I checked your gear and see you don't have 4PC things to highly consider, 4PC LFR gear is better than offset heroic pieces so get the 4PC asap. Inquisition up-time is your biggest issue



You generated 180 Holy Power over the course of the fight, I looked up another Bladelord with a Ret in 2PC same weapon and trinkets and 489 ilevel which is exactly 1 ilevel higher. He generated 179 Holy Power so on the fight you are both level ground. His Raid DPS 360817.0 vs your Raid DPS 358697.5 so you can see both raids are very very close.



Even without 4PC you should highly consider Sanctified Wrath over Holy Avenger. You can look at the 2 different logs but a lot of identical things he has more AW up-time due to SW and more Inq up-time.

[Alessandrahk]

Thank you both for the prompt ( and extremely helpful ) replies. I'll be implementing the recommended changes, working on the outlined issues ( and hunting down for some more LFR tier ) but I have one question.

In your experience, should Holy Avenger ever be considered? If so, under which circumstances? Or is Holy Avenger not recommended at all when compared to the other talents of the same tier? While it's not relevant right now, as I'll be switching to SW to follow your advice, I can't help but feel curious about that particular talent.

Thank you very much for the assistance, it's sincerely appreciated.

[Requital]

Thank you both for the prompt ( and extremely helpful ) replies. I'll be implementing the recommended changes, working on the outlined issues ( and hunting down for some more LFR tier ) but I have one question.

In your experience, should Holy Avenger ever be considered? If so, under which circumstances? Or is Holy Avenger not recommended at all when compared to the other talents of the same tier? While it's not relevant right now, as I'll be switching to SW to follow your advice, I can't help but feel curious about that particular talent.

Thank you very much for the assistance, it's sincerely appreciated.

Haven't used HA since week 2 of MSV I find SW is just overall better.

[Song]

Is 4pc + sanctified wrath better then 4pc + HA? It seems to me like HA is more DPS output then SW with 4pc. Can someone explain this to me with a little math? Thanks. =]

EDIT: This is on a training dummy btw.

[Krekko]

Is 4pc + sanctified wrath better then 4pc + HA? It seems to me like HA is more DPS output then SW with 4pc. Can someone explain this to me with a little math? Thanks. =]

EDIT: This is on a training dummy btw.

You absolutely want to be using 4 piece + SW, yes. You'll find the gains from SW to be much higher than HA.

It means longer Avenging Wrath's more often, it will be AW every 1:55 Minutes (Down from 3Min) lasting 30 seconds each (up from 20).

Don't trust training dummy math, it won't actually give you accurate results.

[Rocketsauce]

So I recently got 4 piece for my ret set (have had 4 piece holy for a few weeks now).

I threw myself into simcraft and it's telling me crit has a higher stat weight for me than mastery.

Can that be correct?

I tried it out last night in LFR (yea, terrible place for it) but seemed to actually stabilize at a higher dps than I did before after cooldowns wore off and such.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...C3%AD/advanced

Edit: Ignore the fact that I need to reforge slightly, got that ring in lfr last night and logged off directly after.

[Fhi]

So I recently got 4 piece for my ret set (have had 4 piece holy for a few weeks now).

I threw myself into simcraft and it's telling me crit has a higher stat weight for me than mastery.

Can that be correct?

Yes. At around 483ish ilevel (although YMMV), crit starts to overtake mastery. Still not as good as haste though.

[Gottie4u]

I was wondering how much dps I should be pulling with this gear of mine? Anything I should try changing up?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ottie/advanced

[Rasstapp]

I was wondering how much dps I should be pulling with this gear of mine? Anything I should try changing up?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ottie/advanced

~60k sounds about right

[Ianus]

Whats better lfr 2 set bonus or offset gear i489..also was wandering if should i start gemming strength in prismatic slots cause my haste is around 9400 .. stat weights are str 3.13, hit 2.74, exp 2.35, haste 1.42, crit 1.15, mastery 1.07..

armoury

[Gottie4u]

~60k sounds about right

Would that be with or without raid buffs?

[Rasstapp]

Would that be with or without raid buffs?

That would be with raid buffs.

[Requital]

Whats better lfr 2 set bonus or offset gear i489..also was wandering if should i start gemming strength in prismatic slots cause my haste is around 9400 .. stat weights are str 3.13, hit 2.74, exp 2.35, haste 1.42, crit 1.15, mastery 1.07..

armoury

2PC should still overcome the small ilevel difference, The biggest difference would be if you were losing a ton of Haste in which you most likely aren't. What 2 pieces BTW?