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  1. #741
    A couple things that stand out to me, the helm and shoulders should be tier instead of offset pieces. I suppose it's possible he's been real unlucky with tier tokens but by this point in the tier that should be a priority. The Lightning-Imbued Chalice is awful compared to the valor trinket from Shado-pan Assault. It's a little weird to reforge out of spirit on the bracers and then put an int/mastery gem in the cloak. Last thing from armory and this may not be a huge deal but inscription and enchanting are none of the top three recommended holy pally professions. We would want blacksmithing and either alchemy or tailoring.

    ON TO THE LOGS!

    The Tortos log you linked is pretty bad. Under no conditions is LoD better on this fight than spamming EF everywhere. I've never had IH not be my top heal and having EF uptimes under 35% is flat unacceptable. Cooldown usage is terrible, holy shock usage is low by like half. I also don't understand 5 Hand of Freedoms here.
    Last edited by Lucyrotten; 2013-07-26 at 12:01 AM.

  2. #742
    Hey guys. I'm playing my paladin since tbc and i've always remembered doing good as well as competing in the meters. I stopped raiding full time in Firelands and started playing again a month and a half ago. My gear is not horrid cause mainly i've been lucky with the charms but i still have work to do. Main thing that hurts at the moment is that i'm having mana issues as i'm trying to compete better geared healers. If i go spirit heavy, i get destroyed by absorbs, if i go mastery heavy, i hurt my regen. Got the legendary meta 2 days ago, and i'll try and see if it fixes some issues. I don't want to gem out of spirit yet. Waiting for Horridon's trinket and other upgrades as well.

    I want to provide you with my logs to see if i have major faults in my game. I know that my cd usage could be better and i know that i'm the least geared healer but every advice should be extremely useful. Please note that as stated, the WoL log provided is without the meta gem.

    Logs:
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-zb6bcofe6q10m75i/

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  3. #743
    Eh, holy shock usage is a little low on everything I looked at, you should work on bringing that up. You're severely gimped by your raid group though. Having to compete again two other paladins and a disc priest with low mastery is going to look terrible on the meters. I wept for your Relic of Chi-Ji as well.

    The problem you're running into is that we're severely dependent on spirit to do anything and until you reach a comfortable threshold (and 15-16K+ isn't unreasonable for heroic content) then you really just can't allocate anything to mastery and that's where all of our healing is right now.

    I would honestly just concentrate on hitting all the right buttons at all the right times and turn Skada off. Look at logs to see if you were good about cooldowns, long and short duration, and ignore the numbers until you get 16k spirit and 38% mastery like the other paladins have. You really just can't even compare yourself until then.

  4. #744
    That's a minor relief to start of cause i feel like the pariah of my healing group. Thanks for your input. I will surely try to fix my holy shock usage, but i think it really stems from the fact that i try to squeeze as many HR as possible to build my worthless shields and "compete" on a theoretical level . Now that i got the legendary meta, which strategy should i follow during procs? Flashing the beacon? Getting a HS and a HR? What are you guys doing?

  5. #745
    Quote Originally Posted by Nedralixx View Post
    That's a minor relief to start of cause i feel like the pariah of my healing group. Thanks for your input. I will surely try to fix my holy shock usage, but i think it really stems from the fact that i try to squeeze as many HR as possible to build my worthless shields and "compete" on a theoretical level . Now that i got the legendary meta, which strategy should i follow during procs? Flashing the beacon? Getting a HS and a HR? What are you guys doing?
    Shouldn't really be stopping your healing flow to utilize the mana trinket. More or less you'll either 1 waste time trying to save mana when you'd be saving more not cancelling a cast you're in the middle of or 2 if you're not in the middle of casting when you notice it, then using FoL (something you wouldn't normally do) would take away from your healing on the raid in general and is not really worth getting 1 holy power when your heal could have perhaps saved someone's life. What you do during downtime is irrelevant but if you'd like you can use some FoLs during them.

  6. #746
    On your megaera Kill I would allocate all the holy power used for LoD to more EF's. LoD is ok in 10 man at best, but it's just not worth using in 25 man because it doesn't do much healing with the 6 target cap. I would just generally avoid using LoD in 25's, and focus more on rolling mastery on the raid with EF.

    HS management needs to be better. Otherwise, Your logs look ok from just a quick scan of them. Do whatever you can to get a trinket from Horridon to replace that chi-ji trinket.

    As Lucy said don't try to compare yourself too much to other more geared players. It will get better and better as you acquire more gear so don't worry

    Regarding Meta Gem procs, I usually just use Flash on my beacon target when there is not too much damage going out to get free Holy power, but If the raid is taking heavy aoe Damage I just go for a HR and HS.
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    Primordius Kill
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    I recently switched my gems to all mastery to give it a shot. My mana seems to be fine still, and I'm doing better on some fights. However, I was pretty low on our H Primordius kill. We only had 4 attempts before the kill. I feel like I'm doing something wrong for the fight, but it might be more "I don't really know what I'm doing just yet" on the fight. I tried to stay in melee, but that got a bit rough. HS usage might be a bit low because I'm using HR quite a bit.

    I'm also surprised I didn't use Divine Plea on the fight...oops.

    Can someone take a look and see what I could be doing wrong?

  8. #748
    I don't do as much healing on primordius anymore simply because the fight is 2-3 minutes shorter than what it was before, so there is a lot less to heal. I don't see you getting many buffs from the red puddles, so make sure to get good uptime on them and hope you get at least 1 mastery buff.

    I would Use LoD a lot less as well since everyone is spread out and it's not guaranteed to hit the 6 targets. EF will be a better choice as the hot and rolling IH shields will just do more healing on everyone than LoD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceknight2 View Post
    I don't do as much healing on primordius anymore simply because the fight is 2-3 minutes shorter than what it was before, so there is a lot less to heal. I don't see you getting many buffs from the red puddles, so make sure to get good uptime on them and hope you get at least 1 mastery buff.

    I would Use LoD a lot less as well since everyone is spread out and it's not guaranteed to hit the 6 targets. EF will be a better choice as the hot and rolling IH shields will just do more healing on everyone than LoD.
    Makes sense with the buffs. I (nor do the other healers) go for the red puddles...I'll have to see if I can sneak some in, but I doubt I can get good uptime since, on our attempts, the offtank is busy with the Vicious Horror and didn't get many red puddles down, I think.

    I did use EF when it was appropriate (especially when HA was up), but at some point there's was just a lot of damage going out and I thought LoD would have been appropriate. Doesn't make sense to use single-target heals when the raid is taking heavy damage (from standing in shit or whatever).

  10. #750
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Ayreyne/simple
    Alternate Specs/Glyphs: No OS/ Glyph of Divine Plea, Protector, Divinity
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-tgzdy87i8kawezjy/ is most recent with our first heroic attempts besides 1/13.
    http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/us/Hyjal/ayreyne/ more logs available.
    Questions, concerns, expectations: Honestly my expectation is in search of help to fix issues I am aware of which are holy shock usage, EF uptime, and CD. I was told to not worry about Daybreak is that true? I'm specifically looking for maybe weakaura, or macro help to to help with those issues. Also I am aware staying alive is an issue I am diligently learning mechanics on the fly after a break from the game.
    UI : sorry for option in the way didnt have a recent picture. http://imgur.com/vMJAGdt
    Description of Playstyle: Basically to try to fix my EF I'm literally counting HR-HR-HS, then I EF and I feel like that is making things worse. I'm a clicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayreyne View Post
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Ayreyne/simple
    Alternate Specs/Glyphs: No OS/ Glyph of Divine Plea, Protector, Divinity
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-tgzdy87i8kawezjy/ is most recent with our first heroic attempts besides 1/13.
    http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/us/Hyjal/ayreyne/ more logs available.
    Questions, concerns, expectations: Honestly my expectation is in search of help to fix issues I am aware of which are holy shock usage, EF uptime, and CD. I was told to not worry about Daybreak is that true? I'm specifically looking for maybe weakaura, or macro help to to help with those issues. Also I am aware staying alive is an issue I am diligently learning mechanics on the fly after a break from the game.
    UI : sorry for option in the way didnt have a recent picture. http://imgur.com/vMJAGdt
    Description of Playstyle: Basically to try to fix my EF I'm literally counting HR-HR-HS, then I EF and I feel like that is making things worse. I'm a clicker.
    If you feel your regen is fine, gem for more mastery over int. Ignore 60 stat bonuses unless it is a gem color you were going to use anyways. Reforge for mastery. I noticed you reforged some mastery for haste and left some haste alone, you aren't near any breakpoint (not that they are worth getting anyways). You are also missing a serpent's eye.

    Your holy shock usage is really low. You are getting like 40%-50% of potential Holy Shocks. Your other cooldowns could see more use as well.
    Last edited by Freia; 2013-07-29 at 11:17 AM.

  12. #752
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayreyne View Post
    Description of Playstyle:I'm a clicker.
    I don't really know what this means in this context? I'm looking at your UI and you don't have visible binds (or non-binds) showing for your major healing spells so I'm guessing you have them set up in VuhDo so you're effectively using mouseover macros I think. I believe what you meant to say is that you're click casting which is fine.

    Your gemming is a hot mess. You're reforging is just as bad. You should never ever (in 5.3) gem pure int or reforge out of mastery or into haste. Haste is bad, make it go away. We really don't use red gems ever for anything. The artful gem in your chest confuses me. Red sockets should be purified if you need spirit or want to match the socket bonus. Look at your gems and figure out how much spirit you want, load up purified in the red sockets, zen/sparkling in blue and then go full fractured or zen in yellow to make your happy place. I strong recommend simming it out on http://www.askmrrobot.com/ before you start. You have haste on your boots, get Pandaren's Step (mastery).

    Looking at Jin-rohkh you used zero cooldowns. Hit the buttons. As Freia said your holy shock usage is poor. I see on your ui you have a little flashy thing set up for it over off to the side, maybe get that into your field of view. On your best Horridon attempt you used no coolodowns and again HS is really low. The Holy Prism WA is ENORMOUS but a key spell like HS is tiny and off to the side. You might want to change something there.

    I like to shamelessly plug my own stuff so here are some weakauras: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...din-Weak-Auras
    And here's how to look at your logs: http://intplate.com/what-are-these-l...ich-you-speak/

  13. #753
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyrotten View Post
    Your gemming is a hot mess. You're reforging is just as bad. You should never ever (in 5.3) gem pure int or reforge out of mastery or into haste. Haste is bad, make it go away. We really don't use red gems ever for anything. The artful gem in your chest confuses me. Red sockets should be purified if you need spirit or want to match the socket bonus. Look at your gems and figure out how much spirit you want, load up purified in the red sockets, zen/sparkling in blue and then go full fractured or zen in yellow to make your happy place. I strong recommend simming it out on http://www.askmrrobot.com/ before you start. You have haste on your boots, get Pandaren's Step (mastery).

    I like to shamelessly plug my own stuff so here are some weakauras: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...din-Weak-Auras
    And here's how to look at your logs: http://intplate.com/what-are-these-l...ich-you-speak/
    I've been using askmrrobot, that's actually what told me to do the artful http://imgur.com/hVyn40J. I've regemmed so many times since coming back for 5.3 When I was full mastery I felt like I was doing something wrong because we are supposed to do secondary stats according to askmrrobot. But I'll try this again for sure for next 25m heroic.
    With my gear level unbuffed what is my mastery optimally supposed to be at?

    Also going to check out your weakauras see if it's better than my current, I just started playing with weakauras so it's been touch and go. Loved your write up on Vuhdu by the way.
    Last edited by Ayreyne; 2013-07-29 at 07:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayreyne View Post
    I've been using askmrrobot, that's actually what told me to do the artful http://imgur.com/hVyn40J. I've regemmed so many times since coming back for 5.3 When I was full mastery I felt like I was doing something wrong because we are supposed to do secondary stats according to askmrrobot. But I'll try this again for sure for next 25m heroic.
    With my gear level unbuffed what is my mastery optimally supposed to be at?

    Also going to check out your weakauras see if it's better than my current, I just started playing with weakauras so it's been touch and go. Loved your write up on Vuhdu by the way.
    Honestly, askmrrobot is wrong a lot and not good to use if you are just using their weights. I use it, but I basically put in my own weights to get it to do what I want it to ("I want my spirit here then mastery! mastery! mastery!")

  15. #755
    I don't even let it do anything. I just plug in the gems, enchants, reforges, etc. to see what my stat values look like before and after. If I'm trying to make a decision about gemming to a certain spirit level I figure out how to maximize it on there. I guess I should have been more specific, sorry about that!

    Thanks for the compliment on the VuhDo post!

  16. #756
    Quote Originally Posted by Freia View Post
    Honestly, askmrrobot is wrong a lot and not good to use if you are just using their weights. I use it, but I basically put in my own weights to get it to do what I want it to ("I want my spirit here then mastery! mastery! mastery!")
    Not the first time I've heard that, I actually tried the crit build for awhile and when I did that I took askmrrobot with a grain of salt not sure when I stopped doing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyrotten View Post
    I don't even let it do anything. I just plug in the gems, enchants, reforges, etc. to see what my stat values look like before and after. If I'm trying to make a decision about gemming to a certain spirit level I figure out how to maximize it on there. I guess I should have been more specific, sorry about that!

    Thanks for the compliment on the VuhDo post!
    Your simming comment makes much more sense now that you elaborated on it, and I never thought of using it that way.

    Thank you both for your comments I'll probably post logs after tomorrow's raids see if I've improved at all. Went up a decent amount of mastery already sitting at 33% buff if I remember right.

  17. #757
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyrotten View Post
    And here's how to look at your logs: http://intplate.com/what-are-these-l...ich-you-speak/
    I love you, marry me.

  18. #758
    Quote Originally Posted by Mifuyne View Post
    I love you, marry me.
    That awkward moment when someone proposes to you on the forums...

  19. #759
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyrotten View Post
    That awkward moment when someone proposes to you on the forums...
    These feelings, unacknowledges, unaccepted.
    Oh the pain that drives forth of this oozing gap..
    Thanks for that link tho - never could be arsed with WoL but this makes it quite easier on where to look for the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mifuyne View Post
    Thanks for that link tho - never could be arsed with WoL but this makes it quite easier on where to look for the goodies.
    You're welcome!

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