Guild Wars 2 popularity - what happened ?

[Angry Bob]

Game is doing well. I know it's hard for the people who were bagging (and still are) on GW2 to accept that. Queue'd up for WvW at 1am last night and waited for 20-25 minutes, Orr is still buzzing with people doing chain events and dungeon group ads are still abuzz in Lions arch and Orr zones. Also, Gw2 is an MMo with a completely different model than your typical run-of-the-mill MMo these days... don't expect people to be logged on for 12+ hrs a day everyday just to feel viable.

It's a false sentiment given by the fact that new people keep buying it and, more or less, leaving soon after, in a constant flow. It doesn't mean the game can retain their interests.

---------- Post added 2012-11-10 at 06:30 PM ----------

Well yes...but what did that have to do with my post, exactly? =)

I was just enforcing your opinion.

[soh]

game is brilliant for casual play... you just need to stop trying to climb a treadmill and enjoy all aspects of the game... there's always something to do, especially at lvl 80

[Supajayare]

Every time a topic about GW2 degenerates into the same old, "You just want raiding and raiding sucks." strawman stuff, I count that as a victory. =)

A victory over what exactly? These types of "sky is falling" threads always devolve to the same nonsense being thrown around from both sides.

[Bovinity Divinity]

I was just enforcing your opinion.

Oh, derp. Sorry. So used to being on the defensive.

[Solidito]

It's a great game but it currently lacks something to keep me interested until new content.

[Supajayare]

The "same old" has over 10 milion fans, according the latest press release from Blizzard, while the "new and "original" guy" is actually seeing less and less regular logins. Something tells me that the "same old" is the recipe for success, not the fake new guy.

Because quantity equates to quality right?

We get it, X and Y MMo doesn't have 10 mil subsribers so game MUST be a fail.

[Liliara]

I can concur that interest in this game has decreased a lot. I played it and got bored after 3 weeks. I also know a bunch of people leaving GW2 to come back to games such as Mists of Pandaria and Rift: Storm Legion. In addition, Elder Scrolls Online is down the road and that series alone also has a large fan base.

I dont quite understand how people would go from any other game to Rift. but thats me.
I havent played gw2 much myself but as i logged on today just to see how much people are still playing only 4 servers are on medium the majority on high and 5 or something are full. How exactly is it decreased?
Its more or less the same it always has been

[Angry Bob]

Because quantity equates to quality right?

If quality doesn't get more customers than quantity, then it's useless.

Besides, how can you say a bare bones MMO lacking A LOT of features, has more quality than another which has way more features. Mindboggling.

[RüneRS]

Sure, you can barely see anyone leaving the game. I guess it's mere coincidence that my guild roster looks like this (and has looked like that for the last 1 month and a half) on a Friday evening.

Erm, on friday evening my facebook looks just as empty, because everyone is going out on friday
same for saturday, on sunday evening everyone and there mother is online

[Supajayare]

If quality doesn't get more customers than quantity, then it's useless.

Thanks, I rest my case.

[Shakadam]

The problem with GW2 endgame lies with the dungeons. IMO they should have just skipped them and concentrared on other stuff rather than implement then as they are now.

Short version: GW2 dungeons are much too hard, too bugged and much too built around traditional tank-dps-heal roles where as no such things really exist in GW2. They are chaotic and frustrating and the rewards are really crap. Bosses drop nothing whatsoever of value, the only usable thing are the marks you get for clearing the entire "path" which you then can buy gear with (after several runs because stuff is expensive). Also mechanics that pretty much require you to die and just spawn-zerg are idiotic.

[Angry Bob]

Thanks, I rest my case.

Which makes me right. Wow, it's rare that people admit they were wrong.

[Bovinity Divinity]

A victory over what exactly? These types of "sky is falling" threads always devolve to the same nonsense being thrown around from both sides.

I dunno. Just a victory in general. It's incredibly rare that I hear anyone actually saying something good about GW2 (Fencers usually articulates her pros and cons well, so that's an exception).

Instead what usually happens in these threads is a few people say they're bored, or all their friends quit, or there's nothing for them to do and then the usual suspects come in - and instead of saying something positive about the game - fall back on the usual tactic of bashing other games instead, or claiming that the bored people are "asking for raids" when no one has mentioned raids at all.

So yeah, every time that happens I just find myself amused. And on the internet, finding amusement is a victory all its own.

GW2 is a fun game with a ton of potential wrapped up inside of it, but thus far the developers have seemed to be playing it all so safe. Things feel very dull, very one-dimensional, very uninspired. I still play, I still have fun with a few particular aspects of the game (ok, really just WvW, and hardly even that) but it feels like a jug of milk in the fridge that's close to expiring...I wanna drink it quickly to get my moneys' worth out of it, but it already smells a little yucky...and the longer I wait, the less appealing it gets.

[Maconi]

There isn't much in terms of end-game rewards (notice I said rewards, not content). Nothing in the end-game feels rewarding/satisfying IMO.

Also I think they failed on social integration. There's very little reason to play with friends (which is what keeps WoW and other games alive, because you have friends to play with which automatically makes the game a bit more enjoyable). Most content is soloable and they haven't included any social tools like LFG and etc. to assist with playing with others.

Also, I never understood why people keep throwing up "it still says "High/Full" population, the game isn't dying!" Did you play at launch? You do know it's extremely simple for ArenaNet to change the population limits (they had to do so multiple times at launch when all the servers hit "Full" to allow more people to login). Call it a conspiracy theory if you wish, but it would be extremely simple for them to manipulate the numbers to keep the doomsayers at bay (and you would be playing into their plan).

If you want proof of GW2 going downhill, use external sources like the OP. Videos are getting less views, as are live streams. Go to any account buying website and you'll see people selling GW2 accounts (with level 80s, exotics, world completion, etc.) for $20 and still not selling. You can buy a Legendary weapon for around $200/$300 (which if it's really supposed to be "the" end-game PvE goal is extremely cheap compared to what people spend on WoW accounts). I doubt their even selling for that much though.

I was a GW2 fanboy for years, and it was extremely enjoyable to play, but it suffers the same way SWTOR did. Game play was entertaining enough to last through 1 play through, but nothing to keep you around after that. It's basically a single player game (and since I didn't spend any sub fees on it I'm perfectly fine with that, albeit a bit disappointed it wasn't what I thought it would be).

[Absolem]

GW is, and always has been, a PvP game with PvE (yes it has a lot more PvE in GW2). The same as how WoW has, and always will be, a PvE game with PvP (the game did not have PvP when it first launched, and they put more focus into PvE content).

Your avatar pic is just so incredibly cute.

[Gandrake]

And sex is about making a repetitive motion over and over, so why do people have sex ?! It makes no sense.

you're gonna compare sex to guild wars 2

am i having sex with your great great grandma or a really cute girl, because this could really make or break your analogy

But no

At least you feel good while you fuck and afterwards. Guild Wars 2 was fucking my mind and it was not enjoying it.

It was like hay gurl you should totally sleep with gw2, he has a huge dong. but when i pulled down gw2's pants he had a normal dick, maybe smaller than average and stuck it in the wrong hole. i just went with it because i was open to trying something different but decided i didn't like it afterwards and took him to court for rape.

[Zdrasti]

The problem with GW2 endgame lies with the dungeons. IMO they should have just skipped them and concentrared on other stuff rather than implement then as they are now.

Short version: GW2 dungeons are much too hard, too bugged and much too built around traditional tank-dps-heal roles where as no such things really exist in GW2. They are chaotic and frustrating and the rewards are really crap. Bosses drop nothing whatsoever of value, the only usable thing are the marks you get for clearing the entire "path" which you then can buy gear with (after several runs because stuff is expensive). Also mechanics that pretty much require you to die and just spawn-zerg are idiotic.

Dungeons are fine. They're just not central to the game experience like you expect it to be. However, after seeing the terminator 2 reference at the end of one dungeon I reaffirm this games awesome.

[Kimbald]

For every one person that raids, there are 9 people that don't.

I know it's just driving you guys crazy that the game is doing so well

Now who's spouting conspiracy theories?
Get off the idea that anyone being critical of GW2 is trying to ruin the game.

And sorry: the game isn't doing so well. It's doing decent at best.

Pvp wise even the paid tournaments didn't help that much.
For a game that was sold as a pvp game, that even talked of going e-sport, it delivered very little in terms of pvp.

Even if you disagree, you still can't deny many people are disapointed with pve at 80 as well.
Not everybody of course. But still rather a lot of complaints going around I would say.

The game isn't growing, it's mostly consolidating on a small but loyal playerbase.
My guess is that that won't suffice in the long run, but actually I hope I'm wrong.
So I disagree on the game doing so well. It takes rather low standards to claim that.

[Angry Bob]

you're gonna compare sex to guild wars 2

am i having sex with your great great grandma or a really cute girl, because this could really make or break your analogy

But no

At least you feel good while you fuck and afterwards. Guild Wars 2 was fucking my mind and it was not enjoying it.

It was like hay gurl you should totally sleep with gw2, he has a huge dong. but when i pulled down gw2's pants he had a normal dick, maybe smaller than average and stuck it in the wrong hole. i just went with it because i was open to trying something different but decided i didn't like it afterwards and took him to court for rape.

Oh, then I missunderstood. When GW2 supporters praise their game, they usually say wow is worse cause it has a strong pve component which implies doing the same raids/dungeons, while gw2 does not put a lot of accent on the pve part.

[Draugadan]

Erm, on friday evening my facebook looks just as empty, because everyone is going out on friday
same for saturday, on sunday evening everyone and there mother is online

It's the same every evening, no matter the day. It has been for the past month. My noting of the fact that it was a Friday was just to emphasize the idea that it's during the weekend.