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  1. #121
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    It is a great game while you level 1-80, but it sadly doesnt contain any replay-value (even if they tell you that DE's change the out come soooo much... really, they dont), since you're forced to do 100% world completation to get the items for your legendary weapon. Talking about world completation, they also require you to go the PvP zones and also complete all of them to 100%, not just the PvE (leveling) zones, which TOTALLY SUCKS. According to their lore, these zones arent even part of the world but in some sort of mists.

    All in all, it gets worse after you hit 80 - then its a gear grind for different sets (YES, you NEED different sets, since they have different STATS on them, which are good in different areas), and honestly, its not worth it.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Lastly can anyone tell me how many people "medium and full" actually are like a hard number. I see the GW2 servers full at 3:00am or 5:00am in the morning server local time and are all GW2 players really insomniacs?
    Don't know about insomnia but I can honestly say I have never seen an MMO more lively at all hours. The only time I have seen anything even close to this type of population density was Dalaran during Wrath of the Lich King. But that was concentrated to a single city.

    Virtually every zone event is attended by players. I have yet to see a non-Orr meta event without at least 10+ people showing up. Even at odd hours like 3am on a Tuesday or 5am on a Thursday.

    There are a shitton of players in Guild Wars 2. Only a handful of zones are sparse. I think some of those sparser zones are due to the location. Like Iron Marches is sort of a pain to travel to normally and not a lot of exciting events happen there for new players to Guild Wars.

    Like I am not sure Joe "I used to play World of Warcraft" Anon is saying, "Awww yea! That's Grenth's Door!" in Lornar's Pass. They just won't get it and the zone is pain in the ass to travel through. Think a lot of zones suffer from pain in the ass accessibility issues, so to speak.

    Other than that I can't even see the models of all the people standing around me in Lion's Arch or the model of mobs in Orr due to the sheer onslaught of players.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Bob View Post
    The "same old" has over 10 milion fans, according the latest press release from Blizzard, while the "new and "original" guy" is actually seeing less and less regular logins. Something tells me that the "same old" is the recipe for success, not the fake new guy.
    So because MMO's aren't exactly copying Blizzard, they are a failure? Does game bashing make you feel better about yourself? Why else are you here? You cleary do not play GW2. This is a GW2 forum...why some of hardcore WoW fans come in here baffles me.

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    I stopped playing as frequently as I used too when I started doing the dungeons (they're crap), but there are still a fun few things to do. The EU servers seem to still mostly be on "High,Full, Medium" and today, seemed very busy when I logged on.

    It has no sub, so I log on every now and again. I would hardly say the interest has subsided. I think people just play it when they're bored - like me. I definitely got my money's worth out the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantViolet View Post
    So because MMO's aren't exactly copying Blizzard, they are a failure? Does game bashing make you feel better about yourself? Why else are you here? You cleary do not play GW2. This is a GW2 forum...why some of hardcore WoW fans come in here baffles me.
    Did I say they are a failure ?! Cold numbers say they are, not me.

    Also, I didn't know having negative opinions about a game constitutes game bashing. You probably take criticism very hard, as a person.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Don't know about insomnia but I can honestly say I have never seen an MMO more lively at all hours. The only time I have seen anything even close to this type of population density was Dalaran during Wrath of the Lich King. But that was concentrated to a single city.

    Virtually every zone event is attended by players. I have yet to see a non-Orr meta event without at least 10+ people showing up. Even at odd hours like 3am on a Tuesday or 5am on a Thursday.

    There are a shitton of players in Guild Wars 2. Only a handful of zones are sparse. I think some of those sparser zones are due to the location. Like Iron Marches is sort of a pain to travel to normally and not a lot of exciting events happen there for new players to Guild Wars.

    Like I am not sure Joe "I used to play World of Warcraft" Anon is saying, "Awww yea! That's Grenth's Door!" in Lornar's Pass. They just won't get it and the zone is pain in the ass to travel through. Think a lot of zones suffer from pain in the ass accessibility issues, so to speak.

    Other than that I can't even see the models of all the people standing around me in Lion's Arch or the model of mobs in Orr due to the sheer onslaught of players.
    But....but, Fencers, it's dead! Clearly, because it's not a copy-paste of other popular MMO's, it's a massive failure. All those other people must be bots, then. Oh wait, ANet cracked down on bots big time....then....then, I have no explanation for all these characters you are seeing, so [insert random insult here]!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Bob View Post
    Did I say they are a failure ?! Cold numbers say they are, not me.

    Also, I didn't know having negative opinions about a game constitutes game bashing. You probably take criticism very hard, as a person.
    And here come the personal assumptions. You never did explain why you post here if you don't play GW2. What cold numbers? Please, show me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantViolet View Post
    Pretty much all the assumptions people come to regarding why GW2 "is losing" players are pulled out of their ass. I really don't get why some people make it their mission to hate on certain games. Does it threaten their lives in some way? Does it threaten their favorite game? It would be safe to say the answer is "no" to both those questions, which makes me believe some people have too much time on their hands, and enjoy "bashing" other games to get reactions out of people.

    Am I saying GW2 is the best game ever? No, but I do enjoy it. People saying the game is "dead" are either clearly not playing, or in an inactive guild so because their guild never has anyone log on, the game is "dead". Also, even if many people have left the game (which given the recent Halloween event, it's very clear a lot of people still play or at least come back for events), it doesn't mean the game is "dead". Dead means gone, void of life. I log in every day, and always see a lot of people around. So it's not "dead" by any means.
    First of: people like me are not bashing OTHER games, we are playing GW2 just like you. Our opinion is as much based on our gaming experience as is yours.
    We are critical of the game we play, or played... You make it sound like it's non-GW2 players doing the criticising by saying they bash 'other' games.

    Second: you have a verysilly way of defining what people should mean by saying GW2 is 'dead'. Of course 'dead' is technically not with anything alive.
    You know well enough you are deliberately missing the point here.
    In your definition it wouldn't be dead untill the last ever player never logs in again.
    Well, by that same definition it was dying the moment someone logged out... Because if a game isn't dead when someone logs in, it's dying when someone logs out or worse: stops playing. The reasoning you put forward is absurd and besides the point. And you should know this.

    You know what people mean when they say a game is dying, don't pretend you don't just to win an argument.

    I'll tell you something I find rather suspicious and noteworthy myself: how come GW2 needs these shining white knights to go on forums and defend their game with rather irrational arguments, just like you just did?
    I sometimes see rational arguments, but mostly I see the same old arguments that are nothing more than 'I like it and I see many others playing'.

    Personally I'm trying to hold a genuine discussion on what could be improved in the game, on what the state of the game currently is, on how it did or did not disapoint people. That's not bashing, that's called 'being critical'.
    And it just so happens that being critical is a far more superior way of thinking in my book, than trying to shut the critics up by wordgames.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    The only place that I see that volume of people is Cursed Shore. Just all the karma-farma's.

    Everywhere else I go I see mobs taking over towns because no one is there! Even in Malchors this last week, I've had to clear out towns to get to vendors, been doing the troop escort quests alone, etc. This is on a server marked Full, so...I just dunno. =/
    A lot of people spend time in WvW, and more of the "popular" zones. I was in Queensdale last night, and it was full of people. Then I went to Lornar's Pass, and it was void of people. It really varies from zone-to-zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    The only place that I see that volume of people is Cursed Shore. Just all the karma-farma's.

    Everywhere else I go I see mobs taking over towns because no one is there! Even in Malchors this last week, I've had to clear out towns to get to vendors, been doing the troop escort quests alone, etc. This is on a server marked Full, so...I just dunno. =/
    I waited a whole week to buy a item which is sold at Grenth's and Balthazar's Temples due to them being contested.
    People don't bother with anything apart from the Plinx chain (at least on S.R.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantViolet View Post
    But....but, Fencers, it's dead! Clearly, because it's not a copy-paste of other popular MMO's, it's a massive failure. All those other people must be bots, then. Oh wait, ANet cracked down on bots big time....then....then, I have no explanation for all these characters you are seeing, so [insert random insult here]!

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    And here come the personal assumptions. You never did explain why you post here if you don't play GW2. What cold numbers? Please, show me.
    Don't pretend that people are putting GW2 down because it's not a clone of other MMO's.
    The criticism comes from what the game is in itself, not from what it isn't and never was expected to be.
    That's too easy an argument, and an elitist one at that too. Do you really think you're the only one capabel of judging the game for how it's different from other MMO's? Get over yourself please.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantViolet View Post
    Then I went to Lornar's Pass, and it was void of people. It really varies from zone-to-zone.
    Timberline Falls is like that too.

    The personal story sorta leads you to the "inbetween" zones like LP and TF. But it's pretty clear you can see the most directly accessible zones are lopsided population wise. Like Dreadhaunt right off Hoelbrak, Kessex off QD -> GF. BTC to SFF is still the quickest path to Orr. If CoE wasn't in Malestorm I am not sure the Lornar's -> Timberline -> Maelstrom run up to Orr would even have 1/3rd of it's already low population.

    Frostgorge is pretty accessible north of Wayfarer. Iron Marches/Field of Ruin is just sad. -_-

  12. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantViolet View Post
    And here come the personal assumptions. You never did explain why you post here if you don't play GW2. What cold numbers? Please, show me.
    Guild Wars 2: Over 2 million sales since purchasing was made available. Over 2 million created accounts since purchasing was available including the accounts of people who left GW2 and never returned.

    Mists of Pandaria: 2.7 million sales in just the 1st week. Over 10 million paid and active accounts.

    Damn you, numbers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtua View Post
    The server I'm on is still bustling during all hours of the day. Hell even the low level zones are filled with people.
    My experience on about 4 servers by now, is that the lowest zones are populated, Orr is crowded, and most zones in between you're more alone than not. Especially once you actually go do the ifmamous exploring and completion everybody is so hot about.
    I truly find the mid level zones rather empty these days, very different from the first weeks of the game I'm sure.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimbald View Post
    First of: people like me are not bashing OTHER games, we are playing GW2 just like you. Our opinion is as much based on our gaming experience as is yours.
    We are critical of the game we play, or played... You make it sound like it's non-GW2 players doing the criticising by saying they bash 'other' games.

    Second: you have a verysilly way of defining what people should mean by saying GW2 is 'dead'. Of course 'dead' is technically not with anything alive.
    You know well enough you are deliberately missing the point here.
    In your definition it wouldn't be dead untill the last ever player never logs in again.
    Well, by that same definition it was dying the moment someone logged out... Because if a game isn't dead when someone logs in, it's dying when someone logs out or worse: stops playing. The reasoning you put forward is absurd and besides the point. And you should know this.

    You know what people mean when they say a game is dying, don't pretend you don't just to win an argument.

    I'll tell you something I find rather suspicious and noteworthy myself: how come GW2 needs these shining white knights to go on forums and defend their game with rather irrational arguments, just like you just did?
    I sometimes see rational arguments, but mostly I see the same old arguments that are nothing more than 'I like it and I see many others playing'.

    Personally I'm trying to hold a genuine discussion on what could be improved in the game, on what the state of the game currently is, on how it did or did not disapoint people. That's not bashing, that's called 'being critical'.
    And it just so happens that being critical is a far more superior way of thinking in my book, than trying to shut the critics up by wordgames.
    Umm, I wasn't replying to any post of yours, so what is all this about? You're making a lot of assumptions yourself. No, I don't consider any game "dead" until it's void of players, or shut down. City of Heroes is dead, for example. That's how *I* perceive something as dead, so don't put words into my mouth.

    You find it suspicous that I post positive things about a game I enjoy? Are you paranoid? No, I am not affiliated with ArenaNet or NCSoft in any way. I am a regular person, posting on a forum of a game I enjoy. I did the same during my time in WoW, and nobody threw these assumptions at me then.

    I know what the average person means when they say a game is "dead", I just don't agree with it. I do log in every day, and I always see a lot of people. I'm in a very active guild, too. It's hard for me to agree the game is "dead" when I'm surrounded by people and constantly running dungeons/WvW with friends and guildmates.

    Also, most of the assumptions I've read that people have made about GW2 "dying" have been either; "It's not like WoW," "It sucks", or "It's boring". I'll take "it's boring" as legitmate, because not everyone likes the same things. The other two "arguments" are weak and biased.

    Believe it or not, there are things about GW2 I do not like, but, it's not enough to make me quit the game. I don't like that you can't preview armor on the TP. I don't like that as a Mesmer, I am limited on speed boosting abilities (unless I use a focus, which is crap). I don't like Orr. As a matter of fact, I HATE Orr. I do it to get karma, and map completion, that's it. Otherwise, I avoid it. These are just a few things I dislike, so you can stop calling me a "white knight" now.

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    They really need to fix the slow player loading. I love seeing other players online, but now I can't even seem to see other players if I don't stand directly next to them. If I stand down at the mystic forge, I can't see players up at the bank, and if I just walk up that small stair going to the bank, all the people at the mystic forge disappears, it's sad.

    It's a huge amount of players in Lion's Arch, I want to see them.

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Bob View Post
    Guild Wars 2: Over 2 million sales since purchasing was made available. Over 2 million created accounts since purchasing was available. Doesn't show the accounts of people who left GW2 and never returned.

    Mists of Pandaria: 2.7 million sales in just the 1st week. Over 10 million paid and active accounts.

    Damn you, numbers!!
    For all I know, you made up these numbers. Where did you get them? Do you have a source? Also, why even bring up MoP? You're turning this into a game vs. game debate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantViolet View Post
    For all I know, you made up these numbers. Where did you get them? Do you have a source? Also, why even bring up MoP? You're turning this into a game vs. game debate....
    /facepalm

    http://www.inquisitr.com/331128/guil...-million-mark/

    As for the MoP sales, I believe the front page of MMO-Champion mentions it.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimbald View Post
    Don't pretend that people are putting GW2 down because it's not a clone of other MMO's.
    The criticism comes from what the game is in itself, not from what it isn't and never was expected to be.
    That's too easy an argument, and an elitist one at that too. Do you really think you're the only one capabel of judging the game for how it's different from other MMO's? Get over yourself please.
    Umm, someone in this thread said GW2 was a failure because it's not like WoW. Go back and read. I can link it, if you'd like. I didn't make that up, I was only responding to what people have said on these forums over and over. Anyone who frequents these forums will back me up on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Bob View Post
    /facepalm

    http://www.inquisitr.com/331128/guil...-million-mark/

    As for the MoP sales, I believe the front page of MMO-Champion mentions it.
    But where is your proof that GW2 has lost a lot of players? Where are your numbers for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantViolet View Post
    Umm, someone in this thread said GW2 was a failure because it's not like WoW. Go back and read. I can link it, if you'd like. I didn't make that up, I was only responding to what people have said on these forums over and over. Anyone who frequents these forums will back me up on this.

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    But where is your proof that GW2 has lost a lot of players? Where are your numbers for that?
    Lost ?! I didn't mention any number of lost customers. I just said that the "over 2 million" accounts also include those of people who left, meaning that the 2 million number is not the real amount of people who still play GW2, while the 10 million wow accounts are real as they are paid for, and I doubt people who left an MMO continue to pay their sub.

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    I pretty much stopped playing because the game is just so damn anaemic. I can't think of any MMO that has ever felt as superficial as GW2.
    Hopefully it'll get fleshed out as there's a lot of potential to the game, but in all honesty, I'm not holding my breath.

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