Okay then... Ap Junglers are going to be more viable.. Always a nice thing with new items similar to wriggles... It is going to be really interesting to see how hard jungle monsters are going to hit :P
Kat jungle is just no. She brings no CC for ganks and has no reliable sustain since AD Kat is dumb now. I tried it when they did the rework, the new jungle certainly doesn't help her position.
And I just tried Trundle. Besides the ganking issue that he has in the current jungle, he's a monster for clearing. The increase gold revenue is fantastic as well, since he could really use it to get some nice items. However, he brought light to an important issue. The removal of FoN has left tanks without an overall MR pick. They are all based on your situation now. I don't really like it, but I guess I see the direction they are trying to take.
Probably wishful thinking on my part and not directed specifically at Axethor, but I'll post it anyways:
I'm curious about how viable Nasus jungle will be in season 3. I'm cautiously optimistic that my favorite champ may actually be a decent jungler with these changes. His passive gives him some pretty strong sustain and his ganks are pretty good with Wither, but the lack of income from the Season 2 jungle hurt him a lot. I'm hoping that since the jungle is more focused on single target damage now, having to slow his clear time down to farm his Q won't hurt him as much. The increased gold gain from jungling should at least give him the opportunity to reach his amazing late game and items like Frozen Fist sound ridiculous on him.
I'll take a stab at this.
Comparatively, without Hunter's Machete the Season 3 jungle will beat up most junglers. Even with the machete is shits on some junglers. Not at the same level as season one, but the new jungle is definitely strong. Gold wise, on Skarner I felt I could farm all day and not fall behind without a GP5 item. On Trundle, I was clearing so fast I would have been counter-jungling if the enemy team had a jungler (they had two supports, Sona and Nami). Level wise I kept up with the ADC.
I can see counter-jungling making a huge comeback on champs like Nunu and Cho'Gath.
Now for Nasus Jungle, I'm thinking he will have the same issue he has top lane, he needs to farm. While he could most likely farm all day and have no issues, you should still have lane presence because their jungler definitely will. Since this takes away from his Q farm, it will take him even longer to hit his late game. So yeah, better off than season 2, but still not good enough that I would consider sticking him in the jungle instead of top lane.
More on topic, how good are the Spirit Stone upgrades currently? Are they worth rushing, or do you prefer to just sit on the Machete/Spirit Stone for a while? (Sorry I'm asking so many questions, I'm in the process of updating my pbe client and can't test atm)
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Just wait, the pro's will be using those two more often than not, Snoopeh always played Cho but more will play him more often. I think I've seen SaintViscious play Nunu jungle a few times and did pretty well. We'll see how it turns out but I'm calling it out right now that they will be more amazing than they are now.
Caw Caw motherglockers, Junglesticks is coming back
I honestly hope that picks like Fiddlesticks or Nasus will not get optimal ever. To be honest none of them are great champions and are pretty flat anyway. Just because there might be some audi/visual appeal on them does not mean that they should be in any serious play.
My bet is that Karthus is going to be taken seriously again in the jungle, and perhaps more mages, which would be really nice.
Also you can have your first ultimate used when unexpected, as it is easy to hide your level in the jungle.
Currently he can't do that much not only because his very first level is harsh, but also because jungle now favors either support champs or those with retarded base values. And the blue thing is not that huge problem when there are characters that can do without it leaving it for you all the times.
You're getting quite a lot of things he needs right now - more gold, early build options and more health on main target (Q is massive when doubled).
It's just a sad state of affairs that out of what 80 (?) + champions, only about 20-25 ever seem to see competitive play at a time, if ever.
I just love diversity and would like to see more of it in my Moba of choice.
Liagala: You might get to hear uniform guy pull out
Liagala: You're not actually putting it in
My gripe is that you always see the same lane setup. semi carry top, semi carry mid, hard carry+babysitter bot, initiator jungle.
I hope that with the S3 changes we may see more melee carries, farming supports, mid game teamcomps, pushing comps, ganking comps etc.