The GOP needs to drop this silly adherence to primitive mythology. Religion isn't needed anymore. We have moved on past silly superstition and mysticism (well, the modern world has) and realize that it offers nothing but false hope and brainwashing.
If they would drop this crap, i.e. opposition to evolution, opposition to same-sex marriage, sticking their noses in women's bodies, cramming their own primitive form of morality down peoples throat, etc. and focused on their stances on the economy and promotion of self reliance and reward for hard work they would have a much better chance of being relevant again.
Some wish it would adapt faster, some slower, but the fact is we don't stone people or burn witches in the modern world. Not even the most ardent Biblical literalist is calling for that degree of adherence to tradition. So, you and Skarssen may never come to see eye to eye on the validity of revealed truth, but odds are that the Republican position will in fact evolve to one that marginalizes social regressivism, it's just not selling. This weird partnership where the GOP is the party of freedom, just so long as you don't want to be free to do something I disapprove of, is unsustainable.
Honestly before admitting anything the first thing the Republican party has to do is stop believing their own bullshit. It seems to me the whole party (politicians and talkshot host) believe the BS stuff that comes out of their mouth, it kind of reminds me of drugs-dealers that get high of their own product.
The stuff that is coming out right now is so surprising that I have a hard time believing it. Ronmey and his team honestly believed that 9 out of 10 polls where biased, that he really was going to win, that he could flip flop on a weekly basis (hello era of Youtbube) and that he had a momentum even though he was only winning with the Republican affiliated polls.
They may have admitted that they where wrong but that something like that isn't enough. The first step should be why they thought that everybody is against them, to me it almost seems like they are a 12 year old kid that thinks the teachers and parents are out to get them.
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You both have got to understand, the Tea Party is a movement about limited government. There are people within it that have all sorts of views, but if they don't have anything to do with limited government, they are not Tea Party views. The Tea Party is not a political party, and their membership includes members from all parties, yes even Democrats. Just because of the two major parties, only Republicans would accept them, doesn't mean they are one in the same. If you are going to accuse me of a lie, you might want to actually prove it.
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They can't really pander to other demographics without angering the bible belt which makes up the bulk of their voterbase since the Reagan days. If the GOP chose to "modernize" they'd have to start from square one, without the highly active support they've so desperately been clinging on to. They probably don't think it's worth it.
As time goes on and angry, white christians find themselves increasingly margnialized in American society they're going to get even louder and more desperate. Possibly even resorting to some ugly, violent stuff. It might take something like that for the GOP to distance themselves. But that's just some grim speculation on my part.
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The GOP has the bible belt support. Now from there. You don't even have to be a Christian, or active practicing Christian to understand that if you read the bible, then by it's ideologies the GOP should be the socialist driven power.
Everything the bible teaches, everything God's and Jesus's word stand for is what we call socialist today.
Fuck.. Even capitalism is something God despises. Remember Sodom and Ghomorra. Remember the worship of the golden calf...
So how can a strongly believing Christian even support the GOP at all?
When in reality, the closest political system to the Bible would actually be Communism? Now in plain terms of comparison of the two..
The GOP/Republicans/Tea Party aren't even fiscally conservative any more. They're fiscally retarded. Their entire platform promotes big business and stifles small business, the very OPPOSITE of Republican stance during America's most prosperous time when we promoted small business, and brought down big business and monopolies. If this were the 20th century I'd be a Republican, but seeing as how the modern democrats are more fiscally responsible and knowledgeable than this new Tea Party stance of exploitation, I more closely associate myself with Democrats.
Also, lol @ Democrats wanting to take your guns. Only reason I want to have a gun is to protect myself from potential right wing nut jobs who own a gun because they think the EBIL GUBBAMENT IS COMIN FO' DEY GUNS AN DEY SHOOT ANYONE WHO TRY TO TAKE DEM. I can't really trust the mental stability of someone that deluded.
Last edited by The Batman; 2012-11-11 at 02:09 PM.
You can lead a person to knowledge, but you can't make them think.
just let the topic die, it was never a discussion, it was a "bash any opinion from the right"
just read the first half of page 1, any opinion not agreed with is immediately judged incorrect and without facts called infactual both by the OP and by mr. scientist trying as hard as he can to appear to be the smartest cookie in the jar.
i bring into point my own post #5 which sums this all up, and then in the next 2 posts they clearly stated that their opinions are the only opinions worth having and any other human having thoughts not originating in their heads are wrong, uninformed, and unfactual.
there's no discussion here, its just immature braggarts ignoring the fact that there ARE as many conservatives as liberals, and their opinions ARE worth having.
just because you dont agree with someone doesnt make them wrong, or you. just be happy you are allowed to disagree, and count yourself lucky to live in a civilized society.
Did the Democrats make this election about rape and gay rights and women's rights and basic human rights?
No, the GOP did. They have paid for it; and they will continue to pay for it until they stop the gay / minority / women / elderly / sick / poor bashing in the name of their religions and their "truth."
I am no Christian but I do believe there is such a thing as right and wrong, and that means the vitriolic and downright anti-scientific / irrational opinions of conservative zealots ARE NOT worth having.
If you can't handle this topic, please just move right along.
Utter tripe. The media is not "Democrat" or "Republican", it is a corporate entity in the United States.Actually the Democrats and their media are the one's who made this election about that.
The situation with the GOP reminds me about our biggest center-right party from 10 years back, they went to election only going on and on about certain policies, had their worst election in ages, sat down, did a 360, got a new young party leader in and became much more moderate, and have now won 2 elections in a row.
Of course, the GOP might be more hardheaded and stubborn then that party, but if you lose, I think it's fair to say that some adjustments are in order to become more attractive in the future.
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Honestly though I hope they realize what a useless argument that is
The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...
The news in America is biased towards profit. The only outliers are MSNBC and Fox because there is profit to be had in biased news for their viewer base.
Allen West: West has been a vocal supporter of such measures as the now-infamous Let Women Die Bill, which would have allowed hospitals to refuse emergency abortion care to women on religious grounds.
Michele Bachmann: She believes in Personhood, but has made a point of saying that a personhood amendment to the constitution should contain an exception for women undergoing In Vitro Fertilization. But not rape victims.
Paul Ryan: Referred to rape as a "method of conception."
Linda McMahon: McMahon said that she believed that hospitals should be required to provide emergency contraception to victims of "emergency rape" only. Whatever that means.
Richard Mourdock: Said during a debate that he believes that rape pregnancies are a gift from God.
Tom Smith: Explained how getting raped and becoming pregnant is sort of exactly like being the father of a daughter who has a baby out of wedlock.
Steve King: Told reporters earlier this year that he's never heard of a woman becoming pregnant as a result of rape or incest, and so rape and incest exceptions to abortion law are silly.
Joe Walsh: "Outside of the very rare circumstances such as ectopic pregnancies, and other rare health issues, the research is pretty clear that with the advances in modern medicine, an invasive and traumatic procedure like an abortion is not necessary to save the life of a mother."
Rick Santorum: Supports forcing rape victims to give birth to their rapists' babies. Like Richard Mourdock, has said that rape pregnancies are a gift from God.
... and these are just some of the anti-scientific, hateful and downright appalling attacks on women from the right. I haven't even come close to starting on the anti gay / minority / elderly / sick / poor agendas the GOP themselves are constantly pushing.
I don't see any democrats bringing this kind of nonsense up. I also don't see democrats attempting to legislate their religious beliefs onto other people.