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    Will the GOP admit and then adapt to their loss?

    It seems that the republican party has been in denial for a very long time on a number of issues. Denial about education, denial about America no longer being the "greatest country on earth", America being a Christian nation (it isn't), Denial about evolution, Global warming, the age of the planet, and a plethora of other scientific issues.

    Watching the GOP play the blame game and scapegoat everything from the hurricaine, to Romney being a weak candidate, to America full of black and latino voters who "want free shit" has made me realize that they are still in denial. Do you guys think the republican party will admit that they lost based on their ideas being out of touch with the country and change their platform to be more inclusive instead of exclusive? Or will they continue business as usual and further alienate women voters by promising laws limiting their control of their bodies, pressing more de-regulation of banks and big business, and further pursuing their losing platform of 2012?

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    they will either adapt or double down. i dont know which yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    they will either adapt or double down. i dont know which yet
    While their mouthpieces will make up excuses. Its a safe bet that the ones bankrolling their campaigns won't let themselves be so deluded. So I would put my money on "adapt" but I never expected them to try and demonize Obama anywhere near as much as they have. So, who knows? We'll find out in 2014.

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    The GOP talking heads on conservative radio have been urging the constituents not to change course. I hope they listen.
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    denial about what, did you not look at the numbers, there are just as many republicans as democrats, and their opinions are just as valid as yours.

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    Right now, they seem more inclined to double down. Many of them were living in a bubble when it came to information and truly believed Romney was going to get 300+ votes. As such, rather than adjust to the reality of what occurred, they simply have to deny that it's a result of their own policy positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahFrigginBlah View Post
    there are just as many republicans as democrats,
    No, there are not.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahFrigginBlah View Post
    and their opinions are just as valid as yours.
    No, they are not. For example, the opinion that women can't get pregnant when they're raped is not just as valid as my thoughts on the matter. The belief that evolution is a "lie from the pit of hell" is not just as valid as my thoughts. The idea that all opinions are equally valid is nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahFrigginBlah View Post
    denial about what, did you not look at the numbers, there are just as many republicans as democrats, and their opinions are just as valid as yours.

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    I think people like you are whats wrong with the country. You see this as "Two sides to every story". Tell me please how the opinion of "Global warming is a hoax" is just as valid as the scientifically proven fact of global warming? Tell me please how the opinion of "I do not believe in evolution" is a valid opinion?

    There are not two sides of every fact, there are only facts. I think you need to look into this further to understand the error of your statement.

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    Short term, no. Romney was a weak candidate vs Obama and they still have a very good shot at the 2016 election with their current strategy. Long term they have to change as the cold war and racist generation die, and get replaced by people who ain't affraid of socialism and black people.

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    Just want to throw this out there:

    It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    Just want to throw this out there:

    Well, that completely makes the NDAA okay! Sorry Barry, you can assassinate/detain me without trial now because liberal college grads voted for you along party lines!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Right now, they seem more inclined to double down. Many of them were living in a bubble when it came to information and truly believed Romney was going to get 300+ votes. As such, rather than adjust to the reality of what occurred, they simply have to deny that it's a result of their own policy positions.

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    No, there are not.



    No, they are not. For example, the opinion that women can't get pregnant when they're raped is not just as valid as my thoughts on the matter. The belief that evolution is a "lie from the pit of hell" is not just as valid as my thoughts. The idea that all opinions are equally valid is nonsense.
    And you dude, get over yourself. You aren't even smart enough to be smarmy about anything.

    Infracted.
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    Funny thing Shawn hennedy opinions on immigration already ''evolved'' overnight so that is perhaps the first step taken already (since talkshow host have allot of power in the Republican party)

    Second thing I noticed when watching Fox News streams is that they stopped bashing Affordable Care act (Obamacare) since they understand now that their isn't a way to stop it now. And honestly the whole healthcare debate could have ended long time ago if the Democrats promoted it right (stuff like responsibility, lower cost etc. and btw these are all facts).

    However the biggest thing that can hold back the Republican party is still their voters and key members. You had Rush Limbaugh openly asking why their token minorities members aren't enough to convince minorities to vote for them, he said we paraded Rubio and Condoleezza Rais but those groups didn't vote for us. You have republicans honestly believing that Obama won because of hurricane Sandy (doesn't make sense because Ronmey never led the polls) or even think that Ronmey was to much of a moderate (he only turned into a moderate around the first debate).

    I personally doubt that Republican party as a whole has learned their lesson for 2016, and even if they did learn their lesson Democrats will still win in 2016 because I doubt that their will be a huge shift in just 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukki View Post
    Well, that completely makes the NDAA okay! Sorry Barry, you can assassinate/detain me without trial now because liberal college grads voted for you along party lines
    Who is talking about the NDAA? I posted an image that shows the most educated states voted for Obama, and least educated states voted for Romney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukki View Post
    And you dude, get over yourself. You aren't even smart enough to be smarmy about anything.
    How smart does someone have to be to be smarmy about idiotic positions held by politicians? Is there a specific degree I could hold that would be sufficient? I might have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukki View Post
    And you dude, get over yourself. You aren't even smart enough to be smarmy about anything.
    He's not being smarmy he's exposing the failure to apply logic to the statement of "all opinions are valid", they are not.

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    The essence of conservatism is careful change. If the GOP cannot adapt and change in some way, then it won't survive.

    And that scares me. Either we have a 2-party system or a no-party system, but a system where the GOP dissolves into factions would, as things are now, leave us with one huge party and tons of smaller ones, and that is bad. That is awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herecius View Post
    The essence of conservatism is careful change. If the GOP cannot adapt and change in some way, then it won't survive.

    And that scares me. Either we have a 2-party system or a no-party system, but a system where the GOP dissolves into factions would, as things are now, leave us with one huge party and tons of smaller ones, and that is bad. That is awful.
    I suppose it'd depend how the GOP fractured, in a hypothetical world where it did fracture. It's hard to foresee that occurring, as we have a fair bit of history showing us that the American system tends to result in those splinters eventually forming a coalition again and creating a new two party system, so even if there's a fractious period, I wouldn't expect it to last. If the over the top social conservatives were kicked to the curb, I could only see that as a good thing for our country.

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    I've seen a variety of sources urging Republicans to double down. I also don't see the insanity the mouth peices have been spewing for the past decade to change either. It's unlikely anything will change for the next election. They will (likely/hopefully) loose again at which point I think I see the current generation having enough power to literally split the party into two (at least).

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    The GOP would've won if they had elected Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. No they will not adapt.

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    I hate the religious republican nonsense, but it is a theory of evolution and they did change the term to climate change. If anything has taught us with science is that the acceptance of an idea without ever questioning it has lead to bad things.

    On Climate change, how did the ice get there in the first place? Was it always magically frozen? How come we aren't seeing more of the outcomes some of the extreme left (Gore) predicted? The fact that people wish to question things isn't wrong, but doing so blindly because of your faith is. That goes for both sides, I see just enough close mindedness in Democrats as I do with Republicans, it is high time for the political parties to change, either demo or repub need to go the ways of the no nothings and the wigs, federalist and anti-federalist.

    Plus the fact that higher educated people voting for Obama means little to nothing as they refuse to accept that you have more than two god damn choices in an election and you are dooming us to the same cycle of bs the two party system has gotten us into. Voter apathy stems from the extreme polarization we get with this two party system, and to simply give up instead of bettering the system shows exactly where the American people wish to take us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesclo View Post
    The GOP would've won if they had elected Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. No they will not adapt.
    Neither of them would have won. I'm tired of seeing the people on the internet delude themselves into thinking they are some sort of messaihs. The only legitimate candidate the Republicans had this cycle was Huntsman and he got no votes.

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