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    The best hunter PvE spec - Beastmaster?

    If we look at Noxxic.com satistic here, that says Beastmaster is the best spec for the hunters again. Is it true or I should stay Survival?
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    For me its true. I do way more damage as BM than the other 2 specs. Every hunter I know is BM right now.

    If you don't know how to play BM though you may be better off sticking to what you know unless you want to actually learn how to play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaklina View Post
    For me its true. I do way more damage as BM than the other 2 specs. Every hunter I know is BM right now.

    If you don't know how to play BM though you may be better off sticking to what you know unless you want to actually learn how to play it.
    And for PvP is also BM??
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    The stats on Noxxic are still parsing data from when BM required some hotfixes.

    Play what you know and enjoy because, like others have said, you will do best at that. I'm sticking with Marks because I hate the rotation of BM and Survival doesn't interest me.
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    BM and SV are both the best specs for PvE. It completely depends on whether it's single target damage or multi-target damage you're doing. Also, whether certain bosses have issues with pets and such.

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    In PvE raids, BM for single target, Survival for anything with AoEing and anything that penalises pets.
    In PvE 5 mans / challenge modes, Survival.
    in PvE soloing, BM.

    For PvP, in Arena BM. In BGs, BM or Survival (Entrapment is great, it won't help you kill things but it can really help your whole team with the actual objectives). Remember though that Survival is a DoT spec so it's good when coupled other strong DoT classes.

    With currently available gear (even BiS) MM is too far behind in damage to make it's limited utility have any real purpose. Unless you just prefer playing it.

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    Questing - BM
    Anything else - SV (25 man raids im getting around 62-63k single target - ilevel 479)

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    At the moment BM (single) and SV (AOE) are the strongest however, they are getting closer and closer as my gear gets better (Currently 473). SV is becoming stronger for me personally but that could be down to me knowing the spec alot better then BM as I have used it for the last expac.

    MM is still lacking however there is a buff coming which will pull it up but I doubt it will get close.

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    MM is only viable for lvling and dailies... I had fun throwing a shit ton of shoots with MM, but it needs a high haste rating to do anything... 9800+ haste.

    but now wild quiver doesn't damage the ranged weapon like it used too.

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    It's fight to fight. I regularly swap back and forth between BM and SV while raiding. Generally, BM does more for fewer targets, while SV AOEs a lot harder.

    SV is still respectable in Single Target, while BM AOE is trash. So some would argue that SV is more "overall viable" but, if you really want to min/max, learn both.

    As long as you steer clear of MM, your'e fine.

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    If it doesn't involve AOE or consistent multiple targets throughout the fight, go BM. BM has an undeniable (and raid log proven) advantage over the other two specs. MM is in a pitiful spot right now and the buffs in 5.1 won't bring the spec up too much I'm afraid. The spec needs a flat damage increase on the main abilities (aimed, chimera, and steady).

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    SV is best for questing, Pulling a lot of mobs and then AoE'ing down is way faster than BM, your pet is already unkillable while questing :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quakefan View Post
    If we look at Noxxic.com satistic here, that says Beastmaster is the best spec for the hunters again. Is it true or I should stay Survival?
    If you actually looked at Noxxic you would also see this:

    Please note that these numbers reflect theoretical maximum DPS and not the DPS you are likely to see in-game. Player skill, gear, latency, and many other factors may change these estimates, but they are still useful in evaluating DPS across specs and classes.

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    I roll as Survival, and I blow BM hunters out of the water in a raid.

    BLUF/TLDR: play BM if you wanna roll face. Play Surv if you have skills.

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    MM is not that bad dps wise its, the problem is with all the new things blizz added to the class it made the rotation for marks damn near impossible. Dont look at parses because there aren't enough people playing MM to give you a legit dps number. But if you go to female dwarf or any other sim you will see that MM if played perfect is around the same dps as the other spec. But the key phrase is "played perfect" and that is extremely hard to do. BM and SV are more user friendly a the moment. If you go by sim crafting SV is actually the worse spec on a patchwerk fight with all BIS gear.

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    Interestingly also, me and my 2 fellow hunter's in our 25man raid always spec Survival for trash mobs even if the upcoming boss is a BM job. The AoE numbers are just hilariously high on big packs.

    For Soloing/questing I always feel BM is best, simply because of the amount of damage that the pet can do while you do other things or other quests. i.e. if you have 2 quests one to kill and one to collect: AoE pull to a tanking pet then run around collecting. By the time you get back the mobs are almost dead. You can do that as the other specs too of course, but I tried several methods and BM seems like the most efficient. Also - as BM is a big cooldown spec (Bestial Wrath mainly) it gets heavily favoured by any stop-start situation simply because the cooldowns all come up when you're going between fights/mobs so you get a disproportionate uptime with them. Having said that for straight up non-multitasking AoE questing survival is most liekly better.
    Last edited by Kaitain; 2012-11-14 at 08:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannonballs View Post
    I roll as Survival, and I blow BM hunters out of the water in a raid.

    BLUF/TLDR: play BM if you wanna roll face. Play Surv if you have skills.
    While this is might be true for AoE fights, all simulations and logs point out BM is superior for pure single target fights. This is a fact, not an opinion. However, Survival is easily the more flexible one, with smaller emphasis on pet dmg (good for fights where your pet has to move a lot without being able to attack) and much better AoE. (Exception: Amber-Shaper Un'sok - BM seems to be better, cause your pet can get to the boss faster than you while dodging the tornados, and you can use KC from a great distance.)

    EDIT: Not Amber-Shaper Un'sok, but Blade Lord Ta'yak. Thanks for the correction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butu View Post
    While this is might be true for AoE fights, all simulations and logs point out BM is superior for pure single target fights. This is a fact, not an opinion. However, Survival is easily the more flexible one, with smaller emphasis on pet dmg (good for fights where your pet has to move a lot without being able to attack) and much better AoE. (Exception: Amber-Shaper Un'sok - BM seems to be better, cause your pet can get to the boss faster than you while dodging the tornados, and you can use KC from a great distance.)
    Wrong boss bro, Blade Lord Ta'yak is the one with tornadoes, Amber-shaper Un'sok has the big orange giant

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