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Just throwing it out there, but the flu vaccine administered via needle is "dead", ie; you won't get the flu from it being injected into you. However the nasal spray is a live attenuated virus (its alive and in theory shouldn't give you a serious flu, but it does happen, but the plus side is either way you will be better protected)
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I see this is a lost cause. Carry on then.
Only time I got the flu was when they gave me the dam shot...Never again.
I don't really ever get the flu shot but I'm not young or old and have the a incredibly strong immune system anyways believe I do considering I have been ill in over 4 years but those other viruses hell yes I'm getting a vaccine and I will probably get the flu shot when the time comes to start doing such a thing.
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Online resources for peer reviewed papers. Likely a fair few will only let you read the abstract, maybe a bit more, but there are free ones.
The only reason I even mentioned being a dad, was not to say that that makes me right and my opinion valid, but was intended to show that as a responsible parent and adult I do my research to make sure that I can make decisions based on whether it is worth the risk or not. In four years that my oldest has been a live he has been sick a total of three times, the first two were near his birth when my wife and I were still for vaccinating, and the symptoms he felt were the same as listed on the side effects of the same vaccines he had been given, since then we did our research and found the information we did, and the only time he has been sick since was a couple months ago, he had respiratory problems through croup, which the doctor's attribute to him having down syndrome. My other three have not been sick with more then a cold, period, and they remain unvaccinated. I myself have been unvaccinated for the past 12 years and have had no major illness that would otherwise incapacitate me. I have personally seen parents close to me lose their loved one's because of unnecessary vaccines.
You are right not all opinions are equal, and I am not here to state mine is more or less then yours, especially when it is our duty as individuals to do our own research and make our own decisions based on the information we find. I applaud you for your faith in vaccines that you would inhale anthrax to prove your point, but why would I knowingly inhale a deadly substance, when my whole philosophy is based on avoidance and proper care. I would simple walk away from the opportunity to inhale anthrax, and if you did so anyway and survived congratulations, apparently we both made decisions that extended our life beyond anthrax.
As far as this being debatable, you mention as others who have done research (meaning actual published research) would have your opinion, when I have found many who disagree, and I did not simple google my research, I am not an idiot, I obviously do not just trust anybody's word as law, I have found many people who have published works that disagree with the mainstream belief that vaccines are necessary and should be mandatory. And you speak as one that has held some published works of his own, so if you have I would love to read them, I am open to reading anything... believe it or not I am an open-minded person, I just have not found any scientific papers or research to convince me that the truth is contrary to my current beliefs, but I continue to look, hoping one day that the medical community will actually be able to get rid of sickness and illness as a whole, never am I expecting it though. So to your "this isn't debatable" I contest that statement, and say it is debatable, and should remain debatable, until one side or the other is proven 100%, which is likely to never happen. Until then it is up to us individuals to make our decisions on our own research and choose which side the risk/reward truly leans. My having kids is not a qualifying statement that I am correct, it is a statement of responsibility, it is my responsibility to do my best research to be able to provide them the safest and healthiest life possible, until the point that they can themselves assume that responsibility for themselves.
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One of the reasons, despite your lack of vaccination, that you haven't fallen ill is because of the people around you who HAVE vaccinated. You're relying on the herd immunity.
Being among the top 8 results of a Google search doesn't automatically make you a legitimate source.
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