View Poll Results: Do you support Marijuana legalization? (if so how much)

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  • Legalized for everyone and children with parental consent

    62 4.49%
  • Everyone 18+

    612 44.35%
  • Everyone 21+

    466 33.77%
  • Medical use Only

    109 7.90%
  • Against marijuana PERIOD.

    113 8.19%
  • Don't know.

    18 1.30%
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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    So, do you have an actual argument? It seems like typical authoritarian nonsense on your end, but I haven't really seen you try to argue this, so I don't know for sure.
    Its amazing how I can say that it should be legalized, yet also be branded authoritarian.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Botter View Post
    Asking you to explain yourself is not me being a hypocrite. Also I never said you were wrong. I just asked for clarification as to why you think it a reasonable statement to to say 'It should be legal but anyone who does it should be treated as a social parasite".
    Your hypocrisy is in calling me for not explaining my point when you won’t even tell me how you disagree with my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshimiko View Post
    If it has .gov at the end, Pretty much don't even click it. Don't forget who released Reefer Madness.
    The NCBI database and PubMed both have .gov endings. They're valid sources for huge amounts of information. Just rejecting things out of hand is usually not a good idea.

    By the way, Reefer Madness was done by a church group, not by the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    Its amazing how I can say that it should be legalized, yet also be branded authoritarian.
    Desiring to fire people for their off the job habits is certainly in line with an authoritarian personality type. That's about controlling people, not about some practical concern.

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    I did for a long time. My views on the issue have evolved to oppose marijuana legalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Not the government, if that's what you were positing.
    Hrm, From what I'm reading around there's an air of mystery surrounding this little piece of Propaganda. Some saying that it's directly linked to Corrupt Politicians - but I guess blanketing them as "the government" isn't really fair, so with that - My mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Desiring to fire people for their off the job habits is certainly in line with an authoritarian personality type. That's about controlling people, not about some practical concern.
    So me wanting to retain basic economic liberty to fire people that work for me in at will employment means I'm authoritarian? I think it means I want basic liberty. You would probably say that is the same thing you want, so why attack me for wanting the same thing.
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    I support use of it for 21+, as with Alcohol. I believe employers should still be allowed to dictate if marijuana use of their employees is allowed or not, and fire those who fail drug tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    So me wanting to retain basic economic liberty to fire people that work for me in at will employment means I'm authoritarian?
    I guess I can repeat myself. Desiring to fire someone for their personal, off the job habits is an authoritarian personality trait.

    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    I think it means I want basic liberty. You would probably say that is the same thing you want, so why attack me for wanting the same thing.
    No, I don't desire the "liberty" to fuck with others for absolutely no reason at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    For the sake of liberty it should be legal with whatever regulations individual states wish to place on it (as is stipulated constitutionally). That being said, anyone who uses it is a fool, should be fired by whoever employs them, and should be shunned by society in general. A great many things should be legal, yet societally shunned by any decent portion of society.
    I got to admit, this confuses me as well. If marijuana is having a negative impact on their work, then by all means fire them, but to fire someone based just on the marijuana, regardless of whether or not they do their job well or not seems like bigotry. And what are these other things that should be legal, yet shunned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    The NCBI database and PubMed both have .gov endings. They're valid sources for huge amounts of information. Just rejecting things out of hand is usually not a good idea.
    When it comes to anything in science - I avoid .gov like the plague. The reasoning behind this is a lot of those pages can go long periods of time without update - either out of negligence, or simply to misinform(I believe that Marijuana link is a good example of the latter). My response was a little vague, I do apologize for that.
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  10. #90
    End the war on drugs.
    Take people out of prison that have been involved in any petty criminal charges related to pot.
    Sell it with the same restrictions as tobacco and alcohol and tax it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    So me wanting to retain basic economic liberty to fire people that work for me in at will employment means I'm authoritarian? I think it means I want basic liberty. You would probably say that is the same thing you want, so why attack me for wanting the same thing.
    I dont think most rational people have an issue with you wanting to fire your employees for any reason. I know that I took issue with the statement you made about how all users should be fired and laughed at because now you are forcing your views on everyone and wishing ill will on people whos actions, if legally and responsibly done, will not effect you if they;re not your employees. It was simply a very vindictive statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoma View Post
    I got to admit, this confuses me as well. If marijuana is having a negative impact on their work, then by all means fire them, but to fire someone based just on the marijuana, regardless of whether or not they do their job well or not seems like bigotry. And what are these other things that should be legal, yet shunned?
    I would fire and shun someone who cheats on his wife repeatedly regardless of whether it affects productivity and regardless of whether it actually harms his wife. Simply because something does not affect how well you work for me does not mean I should or will ignore it.
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    Because I have basic economic liberty and basic liberty just like you do. That means you get to smoke what you want and I get to fire my uncontracted, at will employees whenever I feel like it for any reason or not reason. Liberty is a two way street.
    Then you pay unemployment. If you're going to make employees sign a waiver saying they can't smoke. Then you will find yourself in court. You can't make someone sign a contract that contradicts State law.

    Unenforceable contracts:

    Public Policy

    Contracts can be found unenforceable on grounds of public policy not only to protect one of the parties involved, but also because what the contract represents could pose harm to society as a whole. For example, a court will never enforce a contract promoting something already against state or federal law (you can never enforce a contract for an illegal marijuana sale) or an agreement that offends the "public sensibilities" (contracts involving some sort of sexual immorality, for example). Other examples of contracts (or contracts clauses) that are against public policy and therefore unenforceable include:

    an employer forcing an employee to sign a contract that forbids workers from joining a union
    an employer forcing an employee to sign a contract forbidding medical leave
    a landlord forcing a tenant to sign a contract forbidding medically necessary companion animals such as seeing eye dogs, and
    contracts for child custody are invalid in California if their terms are not in line with the child's best interest.


    So for example. You cannot make someone sign a contract that prohibits something that is legal. Now if they are high on the job. That's different.

    So be prepared to pay unemployment. All I am saying.

  14. #94
    18 plus like it should be for alcohol in the USA

    I can tell you from experience weed is so overated

    the real killer is perscription medication which is perfectly legal

    trust me i got hooked on vicodin when i did my back in and withdrawing from those was the worst thing ive ever experienced

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    I would fire and shun someone who cheats on their wife repeatedly regardless of whether it affects productivity and regardless of whether it actually harms his wife. Simply because something does not affect how well you work for me does not mean I should or will ignore it.
    Ok, so this boils down to you just want a reason to fuck with people and to control them. You need a power fix in that if someone working for you does something you don't like you think you have the right to screw with them. It all makes sense now. I should hope you never hold a position of power or have children if this is the way you want to treat others.

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    Firing someone cause they went home, got baked and ate a bag of cheetos while watching cartoons seems a little off...might as well fire anyone that goes home and has a glass of wine with dinner.

    Firing them cause they come in stoned is a different story.

    I am all for employers having mandatory drug testing and coupling it with performance reviews.

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    I personally don't think it should be legal. HOWEVER, if Cigarettes and Alcohol are legal, which they shouldn't be because they cause more deaths than just about anything in this country... then pot should be legal as well. It's hypocritical to make marijuana illegal when cigarettes/alcohol are legal and cause vastly more health issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    I would fire and shun someone who cheats on his wife repeatedly regardless of whether it affects productivity and regardless of whether it actually harms his wife. Simply because something does not affect how well you work for me does not mean I should or will ignore it.
    It's really odd that you desire to control intimate details of employees lives, but object to the authoritarian label. It's downright Orwellian to say that wanting to be able to control such things is about liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerfiend View Post
    Then you pay unemployment. If you're going to make employees sign a waiver saying they can't smoke. Then you will find yourself in court. You can't make someone sign a contract that contradicts State law.

    Unenforceable contracts:

    Public Policy

    Contracts can be found unenforceable on grounds of public policy not only to protect one of the parties involved, but also because what the contract represents could pose harm to society as a whole. For example, a court will never enforce a contract promoting something already against state or federal law (you can never enforce a contract for an illegal marijuana sale) or an agreement that offends the "public sensibilities" (contracts involving some sort of sexual immorality, for example). Other examples of contracts (or contracts clauses) that are against public policy and therefore unenforceable include:

    an employer forcing an employee to sign a contract that forbids workers from joining a union
    an employer forcing an employee to sign a contract forbidding medical leave
    a landlord forcing a tenant to sign a contract forbidding medically necessary companion animals such as seeing eye dogs, and
    contracts for child custody are invalid in California if their terms are not in line with the child's best interest.


    So for example. You cannot make someone sign a contract that prohibits something that is legal. Now if they are high on the job. That's different.

    So be prepared to pay unemployment. All I am saying.
    There is no contract, uncontracted at will employment.
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    There shouldn't be a restriction on something everybody has which is free will. But for every living human being there should be a moral obligation to do what is right, if that means people think Marijuana is wrong or unhealthy it is there moral obligation to share why and convince others with the best of their abilities.

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