View Poll Results: Do you support Marijuana legalization? (if so how much)

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  • Legalized for everyone and children with parental consent

    62 4.49%
  • Everyone 18+

    612 44.35%
  • Everyone 21+

    466 33.77%
  • Medical use Only

    109 7.90%
  • Against marijuana PERIOD.

    113 8.19%
  • Don't know.

    18 1.30%
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  1. #861
    Quote Originally Posted by Wookeh View Post
    That's like saying "Well that kid shot somebody in school, should we ban firearms ? Could he have done the same with a knife ?".
    No, it's nothing like that, really.

    So the police departments in legalized states wish not to hire those that do something legal ? Sounds fair. Both heroin and ecstacy are completely different and have totaly different effects. I don't know any police officers that do either one of them, but ecstacy only lasts a very short while and isn't addictive.
    It is fair. It seems you don't hold high standards for your officers of the law where you live, but in the US, we actually want them to be sober and rational when on duty. Which, incidentally, can be any time. If you have a problem with alcohol, they can order you to go to AA meetings.

    So, again, do you think it's okay for officers to be heroin addicts? Because drug tests pick up that, as well. I find it very disturbing that you don't have drug tests there. How much time have you lived in the US, anyway, to know so much about it?

  2. #862
    It should be legal since it is less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Marijuana has led to the senseless incarceration of thousands of people. Simple possession charges are a leading contributer to the extremely high incarceration rates that the United States has. That's my biggest argument for the legalization of it. You could also tax it but I think that the economic boost seen from the regulation and sale of marijuana would pale in comparison to the benefits of relatively empty prisons.

  3. #863
    Nothing is good if not taken in moderate amounts, weed harms your body and whoever says otherwise has no clue on the mater. The heart and brain takes a toll every time you get high, its just a bunch of propaganda that it has medical uses and that it's not harmful. I can say this with 100% certainty since I've been smoking weed for 9 years now, I've had several heart attacks, can't keep the same line of thought for very long, and am incapable of going through with a plan. These are all qualities I had before smoking weed. Not to mention how depressed you can get by it, of course since its organic it affects people differently but I am convinced that many people are ignorant to the harmful effects of cannabis because it's such a slow killer that people don't realize before they've messed up their life in some other way. The issue is that wherever there are people who can handle it responsibly, there will be people who won't and will hurt others in some way.

    With that said, cigarettes and alcohol is worse and has permanent effects while you can recover from weed if you stop before its too late. In a perfect world none of these poisons would be legal nor would anyone want to numb their minds with it, but personal gain/greed triumphs the good of everyone, so I say what the hell make it legal and let people make their own decision on the matter.

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    21+ in my opinion. I would never EVER smoke it (or anything) but with alcohol and tobacco being illegal i can't see why Marijuana is. I'm against it personally but i don't think i can be illegal considering what is legal.
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    As long as it's done at home and not public, then I don't care if it's legalized or not. I just don't want to smell it.
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  6. #866
    For medical use.
    Otherwise it should be for people from 21 or up, if they really want to smoke it.
    Recent studies shows a pretty clear impact on the iq of people smoking it from early age. They're guessing that the brain isn't fully developed at that point, and the weed limits it :P
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  7. #867
    The economy is already benefiting from marijuana dispensaries. Also people much smarter than us have done research into the effects it will have on the economy and they all play out positively.

    As to the 'people will grow it themselves' there's a limit to the number of plants you can grow, I think it's 6, any more than that and you're operating an illegal grow op (Growing large quantities without a license will still remain illegal) and if you're caught you will face penalties.[/QUOTE]

    Dispensaries make money because Marijuna is illigal elsewhere. Now if it becomes legal, people will grow themselves. There won't be tax money gained from it.

  8. #868
    Quote Originally Posted by Rio View Post
    Medical use only. It's illegal for a reason. Those who can't see or understand why it's illegal are probably still in their teenage years wanting to experiment with what's out there.

    I'm 23 and I see no point in smoking it.
    I dont like mushrooms on my pizza, does that mushrooms shouldn't be allowed on pizzas? You dont have to smoke it to know that is IS in fact illegal for a reason, and the US would benefit tremendously if it was regulated like alcohol.

    Take a minute and forget everything you have ever heard about marijuana, good or bad. Now, What if I told you it was EXACTLY like alcohol, but with no long term effects to your health, no risk of death (assuming you smoke in a safe environment.), doesnt cause cancer like Legal tobacco, and doesnt cause aggression while under the influence like alcohol. Why should it be illegal if it is no worse than two of the most used legal substances out there?

    The "point" in smoking marijuana is the same as drinking alcohol. its fun, makes you feel good, turns a good time into a better time. Marijuana is simply "something to do when theres nothing to do, that makes nothing to something to do." instead of watching TV after work, or watching a movie, why not smoke a bowl, relax, and do whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muppsan View Post
    Nothing is good if not taken in moderate amounts, weed harms your body and whoever says otherwise has no clue on the mater. The heart and brain takes a toll every time you get high, its just a bunch of propaganda that it has medical uses and that it's not harmful. I can say this with 100% certainty since I've been smoking weed for 9 years now, I've had several heart attacks, can't keep the same line of thought for very long, and am incapable of going through with a plan. These are all qualities I had before smoking weed. Not to mention how depressed you can get by it, of course since its organic it affects people differently but I am convinced that many people are ignorant to the harmful effects of cannabis because it's such a slow killer that people don't realize before they've messed up their life in some other way. The issue is that wherever there are people who can handle it responsibly, there will be people who won't and will hurt others in some way.

    With that said, cigarettes and alcohol is worse and has permanent effects while you can recover from weed if you stop before its too late. In a perfect world none of these poisons would be legal nor would anyone want to numb their minds with it, but personal gain/greed triumphs the good of everyone, so I say what the hell make it legal and let people make their own decision on the matter.
    Well, there are others who have been smoking ALOT longer than you, and I can guarantee they smoke more than you did in those 9 years in half the time. And they dont have the problems you listed. Not saying pot is 100% safe, im just saying you cant blame it all on pot, there are millions of other things that couls attribute to those problems, especially the heart problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artemishunter1 View Post
    Police officers are always on duty, even when they are not. You do not want police officers to be high, when they are called when theres a crime in their neighborhood. You are a police officer 24/7.
    What is this I don't even.

    Police officers are perfectly allowed to consume alcoholic drinks anytime off duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chry View Post
    What is this I don't even.

    Police officers are perfectly allowed to consume alcoholic drinks anytime off duty.
    Yeah, but if weed was legal they would be stoned 24/7...
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  11. #871
    Quote Originally Posted by mistuhbull View Post
    Yeah, but if weed was legal they would be stoned 24/7...
    You don't give them, or people in general, enough credit for taking responsibility. Sure there would be some that get stoned on their own time but while on duty? Law enforcement does have standards even if the media would have you think otherwise by only regularly reporting about the 5% or less that causes trouble.
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  13. #873
    Seems pretty simple to me.

    Legal over 21.

    Legal as medical to any age with a prescription. I mean, if you've ever seen a little child go through chemo FINALLY get to eat after inhaling some marijuana smoke (the sight took me back at first and really let me know just how inculcated my marijuana biases were), you'd know just how important medical marijuana is.

    So, here's the deal. All of the arguments against marijuana being legal are behavioral arguments for which there are already laws. Such as:

    "I'd hate to have a teacher teach my kids if she were high..." or "I'd hate to drive on the roads once pot is legal" or "I'd hate to get surgery from a surgeon who gets high" or "I'd never want to fly with a pilot who uses pot"

    Well, yeah. And every state and school district has both ethical codes, standards of conduct and laws regarding entering the classroom "under the influence". Every state has laws regarding driving under the influence. Every medical board as well as every state has VERY strict rules regarding surgeon behaviors and protocols regarding a surgeon's fitness before entering surgery. I've known Obstetricians who admitted they hadn't even had a glass of wine in years because they had a lot of patients and could be called into delivery at any time and thus had to be able to "ready". Same goes for pilots. Pilots have a strict protocol to follow or they cannot fly.

    The explicit language obviously differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but suffice it to say that even if the prohibition on possession of personal amounts of pot were legal wouldn't change the existing LAWS on the books regarding the prohibitions on certain behaviors or the mandatory following of certain protocols, rules or regulations.

    Long story short: DUI will still be DUI whether pot becomes legal or not. Teachers will still have to be sober in all ways prior to entering the classroom or they will be fired and likely subject to criminal charges. Doctors will still have to be chemically clean before performing a procedure or subject to criminal and civil sanction. Pilots will still have to be chemically clean or they will also be subject to criminal sanction.

    Basically, nothing changes.

    Well, what changes is that we no longer have a justice system that massively disproportionately incarcerates minorities and poor people for possession of small amounts of marijuana and we stop feeding the criminal industrial complex.

    From a Reason Article "In 2009, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, there were 1,524,513 prisoners in state and federal prisons. When local jails are included, the total climbs to 2,284,913." Later it goes on to show that 25% of those are non-violent drug offenders. Lessee....whip out the calculator...and that's 571,228 people in jail because they were non-violent drug offenders. Now, obviously not all of them were of the pot variety.

    However, the point is that there's a MASSIVE problem when there's a single substance that a) will help kids with cancer, b) will help anyone with anxiety, c) is FAR LESS damaging than other accepted vices like alcohol and tobacco and d) is responsible for hundreds of thousands of Americans being incarcerated for no reason other than possessing small amounts.

    When something as simple as decriminalizing Marijuana could attend to so many obvious issues, it seems like a no-brainer to me.

    And, for the record, I'm a 44 year old, service-connected Disabled Vet. I've been disabled since '92 with daily migraines and cluster headaches and have Crohn's Disease. I've thought of using medical marijuana as I deal with my pain opiate-free, but even though I lived in CA at the time, I didn't want to put my Federal benefits in jeopardy.

    For us few Vets who go the Opiate -free route, and there are some of us, it's a damned hard road. The decriminalization of Marijuana would allow us to have a legitimate source for pain relief that would NOT cause "rebound headaches" like NSAIDs do which is why I can't take Advil or Tylenol (or even Aspirin) more than twice or three times a week.

    Anyone who thinks this is just about pothead teenagers who want to get high may want to think about this: In real life, it's almost never as simple as it looks.

    Folks against it see the guys from 'Dazed and Confused'. I see the little girl after chemo and prisons full of people.

    Jmho. Be well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemishunter1 View Post
    Growing Marijuana is far easier than making Alcohol. The reason people do not make Alcohol anymore because people are lazy, especially americans of this generation. Its too tedious to make.

    Police officers are always on duty, even when they are not. You do not want police officers to be high, when they are called when theres a crime in their neighborhood. You are a police officer 24/7.

    Bullshit. Crime rate will not go down, economy will not benefit at all. Since, people will grow it themselves. And people will always avoid taxes. There is too much propaganda by both sides of the argument to make an informed choice.
    All you do is spout bullshit that you can't back up with a shred of evidence. Sorry that you are unable to make up your mind for yourself. Pretty easy to distinguish propaganda and facts.

    Then again, I do not know if you know what facts are if you are saying shit like cops are on duty 24/7, and that marijuana is easier to grow than making alcohol. There is a good reason that we are now seeing weed that is so much better than the past, technology advancements. Because growing ditch weed is easy, growing sticky takes a ton of work.

    They make alcohol inside of prisons. Must not be that hard. Have yet to hear about anyone growing weed inside a prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackinthegreen View Post
    You don't give them, or people in general, enough credit for taking responsibility. Sure there would be some that get stoned on their own time but while on duty? Law enforcement does have standards even if the media would have you think otherwise by only regularly reporting about the 5% or less that causes trouble.
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  16. #876
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    Pot is proven to drive crime down and money up.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...cs&ir=Politics
    Don't break out facts and studies, it fucks with the detractors and their bullshit propaganda. A rational individual should be able to look at Prohibition and see the correlation between the violence during that period of time and the violence currently related to drug activity. People don't seem to realize that police can't always pinpoint a crime that's drug related. Just because it isn't a couple of crews having a beef doesn't mean it's not drug related. Hell, even the US Department of Justice knows that drug trafficking leads to violent crime. I know that this fact sheet is pretty old, but the figures are still relevant and true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistuhbull View Post
    You seem to have fallen into my Sar Chasm
    And I'll continue to do so mostly because sarcasm tends to only work on the internet when it's blatantly obvious or when there is former knowledge of the person's tendencies. Neither of those, as far as I can see, is the case in your post. Based on the posts I've seen I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually believed policemen would be stoned while on duty. I fully admit I'm rather blind when it comes to online sarcasm though.
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    Indeed I do, support self-destruction of the weak.
    Certain people are capable of smoking weed, some are not (with side effects, psychological problems etc.)

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