Well 1, 2, 3, take my hand and come with me
Because you look so fine
And I really wanna make you mine
"Nakba Day (Arabic: يوم النكبة Yawm an-Nakba, meaning "Day of the Catastrophe") is an annual day of commemoration (15 May) of the Palestinian displacement... During the 1948
Palestine War, an estimated 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled, and hundreds of Palestinian villages were depopulated and destroyed. The vast majority of Palestinian refugees, both those outside the 1949 armistice lines at the conclusion of the war, and those internally displaced, were barred by the newly declared state of Israel". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day
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You're right, the drubbing he got ("LOL he thinks the Cold War is still on") was unfair, even if one accepts the mainstream conclusion that radical Islam is our number one foe. But, I don't recall him ever rationally defending his statement either.
I was just pointing out that people aren't exactly unaware of which side Russia's on. You do get it though. What Israel does, it does with the United State's approval (even if we occasionally frown at them, we've never to the best of my knowledge actually tried to stop the march of settlements), so, being mostly Americans, it adds relevance and moral complicity. We arm them, so something like a divestment campaign actually has something to do.
Anyone from Russia? Is there a similar backlash among liberals there against Russia's support for their side's oppressive friends?
Again their is not a single country that would accept a forming of a new country within their own borders, it does not mater if you think that Palestinian never existed because at the very least the land itself used to be part of the Arab nations.
One of the things we as a race learned after WW2 is that it is stupid at best to take over a country after you defeated them. The formation of the UN is precisly because the leaders of that time felt that the WW2 resulted because of ww1, and if you look at germany and japan after ww2 you will see (at least the west side) that both where independent governments and that they where left mostly alone.
Just because your opponent is stronger does not mean that you have to give up, attaining freedom does not stop just because your opponent has bigger tanks (in this case Palestinians don't have that), better rockets (Palestinians rocket only hit stuff by chance at best) or even better sticks.
I'm personally wondering what the goal is of the Israel government and it's people because currently I don't see any end to this struggle since the government of Israel does not want peace. The reason why Obama and Netanyahu currently have a bad personal relationship is precisely because the Israel government does not want peace. Remember a few years ago Biden was send to Israel and the moment he arrived the government announced building of more houses in Palestinian lands, this really humiliated the American government because you can't have peace talks while at the same time aggressor is doing his thing.
This isn't about religion, even if the land itself had nothing to do with religion people will still fight as long as they believe they have been robbed.
i honestly thought there was a good shot at having all of this settled years ago, so that israel and palestine could be building on peace. but arafat was trolling us all, and i hope hes burning in hell right now. nothing is going to be resolved with hawks sitting in israeli govt, and is there a legitimate emissary for palestine right now? (i really dont know at the moment)
Just be glad the Israelis haven't taken Russian approach and wiped the whole area right the hell out! Its a pity they are still killing each other but its been happening for most of human history and its very unlikely to change because a few people bitch moan about how each side is being inhumane.
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(hey, did you hear about your state's cessation plans? )
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The less you know, the more you believe.
Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.
Genocides, oppression and ethnic cleansing are a whole different thing.
And Israel isn't really covering it or hiding it up much. So I don't see what is it that you are saying there.
Should the world go "ah sure you can bomb schools, drop cluster bombs, fill the place with uranium and mines, and little by little exterminate the Palestinians all together, we'll close an eye, go on you little rascal!!"
And thing is... We DO close an eye as well. 300 odd UN resolutions sent and nothing has been done.