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  1. #821
    Quote Originally Posted by Isotope View Post
    I think what concerns me the most is that 1 out of 8 rockets that Gaza launches don't even make it outside the borders of Gaza. Stories are now coming out about how they are claiming civilian deaths from Israeli air strikes when it is in fact a rocket fired from Gaza that killed them.

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2...as-killed.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/wo...ire.html?_r=1&
    http://www.usnews.com/news/world/art...an-battle-zone

    No matter what side you agree with the fact is Gaza is doing just as much damage to their own people as they are claiming Israel is.
    Yeah well, they are well known for blaming Israel for every death that happens in Gaza as it is. What is another one?
    I remember back in 2008 when we found 100 of those lovely rockets they used back then in a storage room in a kiddy school. Did they stop to care about their children at any point? Nah.
    Golda Meir once said there would only be peace when they started loving their children more than they hate Jews.

  2. #822
    Quote Originally Posted by Palmatum View Post
    I didn't realize RoI was launching hundreds of rockets a year into England.
    IRA did use car bombs and mortars, because they was no wall that prevent there movement. BUT please pay attention, how was IRA defeated/neutralized?

    1) Because England did not miss a opportunity to make the ordinary Catholics life as hard and mislabel as possibly?

    2) England did still hunt IRA but did go to a great length to not mess up ordinary Catholics life and hence make the IRA the biggest problem to normal life, and hence force IRA to change tactic, like warn before where they have pleased a bomb, and in the end lay down the weapons to continue to have public support.

  3. #823
    Quote Originally Posted by a77 View Post
    IRA did use car bombs and mortars, because they was no wall that prevent there movement. BUT please pay attention, how was IRA defeated/neutralized?

    1) Because England did not miss a opportunity to make the ordinary Catholics life as hard and mislabel as possibly?

    2) England did still hunt IRA but did go to a great length to not mess up ordinary Catholics life and hence make the IRA the biggest problem to normal life, and hence force IRA to change tactic, like warn before where they have pleased a bomb, and in the end lay down the weapons to continue to have public support.
    Actually, they were defeated by pushing them to the ground and showing them their terrorism was met with more power than they could handle. And eventually they understood that they simply had no chance of winning through terrorism.

    The people over here are way thicker.

    Also, I'll just throw it right here, since it probably got NO airtime at all when it was relevant 3 years ago.
    http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/20...-un-criticism/
    Last edited by Valort; 2012-11-18 at 12:15 PM.

  4. #824
    Quote Originally Posted by Valort View Post
    Actually, they were defeated by pushing them to the ground and showing them their terrorism was met with more power than they could handle. And eventually they understood that they simply had no chance of winning through terrorism.
    Not hesitate to shooting into a large crowd when they did think there were armed men there (bloody Sunday) and have regular street fighting and raids was force them to give up? NO If it did something it was strengthen IRA. It was not before England change from iron fist to silk glove did England did get the upper hand.

    Extremely nice of IDF to warn people, but where shall they go? will you let them into Israel?
    Last edited by a77; 2012-11-18 at 12:44 PM.

  5. #825
    Quote Originally Posted by a77 View Post
    Not hesitate to shooting into a large crowd when they did think there were armed men there (bloody Sunday) and have regular street fighting and raids was force them to give up? NO If it did something it was strengthen IRA. It was not before England change from iron fist to silk glove did England did get the upper hand.

    Extremely nice of IDF to warn people, but where shall they go? will you let them into Israel?
    Oh, but where are all their supporters suddenly? Why doesn't Egypt help them, where are Jordan, Lebanon and Syria? Saudi Arabia and Iran? Amongst many others?
    How can people not see the irony? They have so many supporters worldwide, yet Palestinians are still considered second class citizens and refugees in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Egypt closed down the border with Gaza to human travel. Yet they all attempt to use the Palestinians as a device to rid themselves of Israel.

    The close to 2 million Israeli Arabs living in Israel as full citizens to this day, are the children and grandchildren of those Palestinians who didn't take up arms or run away when the state of Israel became independent. They were accepted, back then. The ones who ran away or took refuge in the neighbouring countries were harassed and herded into camps. Jordan slaughtered as many or more Palestinians than Israel did. Syria kept them as a human shield on the way when they attacked Israel. In Lebanon, they were brainwashed and eventually turned into Hezzbollah cannon-fodder. Yet still Israel is the bad guy.

    When a professional who has seen battle in many different locations, gets the courage to go against the UN (Which has too many members which are hostile towards Israel as it is) and tells them, right to their face, that they are simply lying and making shit up, by explaining exactly how the IDF works inside the Gaza strip, I think people should, if not believe him fully, at least take the crap they've been force-fed by the Anti-Israeli propaganda with a pinch of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someotherguy View Post
    But Israel doesn't have ability to shot down 'any missile', and this isn't true 'Hamas missiles wont do jack to them' ... last I looked more than half missiles get through, and 3 people died.
    Besides deaths, there is other damage.
    Hmm, did not know that.

    Quote Originally Posted by someotherguy View Post
    It isn't OK what Hamas is doing, Israel should defend itself.
    Nor did i ever say it's okay what Hamas are doing, i just think there should be a more clear line between defense and retaliation.

    Quote Originally Posted by someotherguy View Post
    I have a lot of issues with this post, especially since it's coming from a moderator. And don't bash US police.
    Criticizing isn't bashing. I'm not even blaming individual cops for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    I'm familiar with the meaning of the word Semitic, but in modern English anti-Semitic means specifically anti-Jewish. Trying to play semantic games with the etymology of the word is silly.
    You are correct... Just want to add, that this is not limited to modern English, but it is custom all over the planet.
    Anti-Semitic = anti-Jewish.

    Sure it has a broader meaning by origin. But it isn't used that way nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valort View Post
    The fact that some people are capable of supporting the firing of missiles and rockets blindly at innocent civilians, yet oppose any military move against terrorists, appalls me. The incredible support towards terrorism is a dangerous position to take, because you never know when YOU will be a victim of terrorism, and you'll have no one else to blame but yourself and those like you, for giving legitimation to such means.
    You are mistaking the support of terrorists with recognition that there are civilians on their side of the fence. What i find absurd is that you can't even recognize that people here aren't crazy enough to support terrorists. Or, that you do recognize that and choose to ignore it and personally attack posters here all the while knowing you're lying out of your teeth.

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    I have a somewhat provocative question....

    Why this??
    Israel strikes media buildings in Gaza
    The sites hit in Gaza early Sunday included buildings used by Britain’s Sky News channel and the Dubai-based pan-Arab broadcaster al-Arabiya, the news organizations reported. At least six journalists were wounded, according to a health ministry spokesman in Gaza quoted by wire services.
    I know....
    One of the buildings was used by al-Quds channel, which serves as a mouthpiece for Hamas, the militant group that rules Gaza.
    Learn to aim....
    Taking out the international press doesn't exactly make you look good.. It rather supports thoughts of you having intentions of trying to hide something..

    I had CNN running yesterday on the side. At some point they had some guy (American) explaining the situation a little deeper.
    Like how Hamas gets weapon support from Russia, and stuff.. He also mentioned that the whole problem down there, and why they cannot come to agreements, has a lot to do with water. Apparently Israel offers solutions that would cut Palestinians off from drinking water.
    So, I thought I'd dig into it a little deeper.
    As often enough, the topic at hand was actually in the news. We were just too busy with the Presidential campaign and other issues to pay attention.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8327188.stm
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/water.html
    Last edited by Wildtree; 2012-11-18 at 01:42 PM.

  10. #830
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    You are mistaking the support of terrorists with recognition that there are civilians on their side of the fence. What i find absurd is that you can't even recognize that people here aren't crazy enough to support terrorists. Or, that you do recognize that and choose to ignore it and personally attack posters here all the while knowing you're lying out of your teeth.
    I am far more aware of there being people on the other side of the fence, than, say, the average Hamas supporter posting on this thread.
    What people don't seem to recognize, is that these terrorists are actually WORSE for the Palestinians. Fail to recognize or morbidly ignore, I can not say.
    But while most anti-Jewish people see the Palestinians as the latest "Device to rid us of Jews!", I see them as poor people being used by very sinister people as a device for advancing their agendas.

    I do not personally attack posters. I personally attack anyone who wishes my death. Quite a different issue I'd say.

    @ Wildtree: yes, the IDF supposedly bombed a media building in Gaza. Make 1+1 and figure out why would you want to blow up a building transmitting the guys blindly launching missiles, about every location they hit with their missiles, so they can aim better.
    And don't even dare say Sky News would never do something like that, since the news are supposed to be objective. Sky are angels, incapable of corruption, ask Gordon Brown.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-18 at 04:22 PM ----------

    Not to burst your bubble, but first link is a report made by Amnesty International. An organization known for forgetting how the whole "Audi alteram partem" should work.
    The 2nd link seems to be one of those lovely sites which I'm sure are simply too unofficial to have any truth enforced on them.

    Yes, there is a huge issue with drinking water in the area. Newsflash: Israel has a drinking water problem too. Ask any Israeli, the commercials to "Shower, not bathe", "Close the hose" and "shower together" have been on TV for at least a decade. Lets say we have enough drinking water problems without having to provide drinking water to the Palestinians at a discount price. About it being their own water: The West Bank has several sources of drinking water. The Gaza strip has one aquifer, which tanks to their bad engineering, has been contaminated over the years by their waste. Of course, you could say it is receding because Israel is pumping it. Or, in other words: They are using our sewage system.

    Hamas doesn't get their weapons only from Russia, as much as they get them mainly from worldwide supporters paying for them, several African countries crafting them (Hint: Why did Israel bomb a weapons factory in Sudan?) and smuggled into Gaza through tunnels or simply by Egyptians through Rafah crossing.
    Not to mention Iran, the firstmost nation interested in "Removing Israel from the map", interested in using the Palestinians as a means to their ends.
    Last edited by Valort; 2012-11-18 at 02:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valort View Post
    But while most anti-Jewish people see the Palestinians as the latest "Device to rid us of Jews!", I see them as poor people being used by very sinister people as a device for advancing their agendas.
    Again, you're imagining things. There are no anti-Jewish people on these forums, just anti-Israel people. By equating the two, you're, again, trying to personally attack people, for being anti-Semitic when they're really not.

    It's identical to there being a distinction between someone being anti-US and someone hating Americans. The former isn't just a different version of the latter. You can be anti-US or anti-Israel, meaning you don't agree with their foreign policies, or domestic policies (though that doesn't affect non-US or non-Israeli people), while having absolutely nothing against Americans or Israelis.

  12. #832
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    Again, you're imagining things. There are no anti-Jewish people on these forums, just anti-Israel people. By equating the two, you're, again, trying to personally attack people, for being anti-Semitic when they're really not.

    It's identical to there being a distinction between someone being anti-US and someone hating Americans. The former isn't just a different version of the latter. You can be anti-US or anti-Israel, meaning you don't agree with their foreign policies, or domestic policies (though that doesn't affect non-US or non-Israeli people), while having absolutely nothing against Americans or Israelis.
    US-Americans is not the same as Jews-Israelis.

    And thinking there are no anti-Jewish people on these forums is a tad naive. The odds of that happening are extremely low, just like the odds of there being no anti-gay, anti-muslim or anti-anything people on these forums.

    Article 7 of the Hamas charter provides the following quotation: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." Source.

    This means that Hamas (and its supporters) are not just anti-Israel, but also anti-Jewish to a degree.

  13. #833
    It seems now German, Italian, Kuwaiti and Russian media outlets are all part of Hamas. Britain’s Sky News, Italian RAI, German ARD, Kuwait-TV were all targetted by Israeli Warplanes. Well done on bombing those news agencies in Gaza. Yes yes I know. Hamas was using the Sky News office as a staging area to launch flying monkeys with laser guns at Israel.
    You can't fix stupid. But damn it you can troll it!

  14. #834
    im not fan of arab ppl (or having anything against them) but damm israel crossed the line and the worst that they always try to show themself af there were the victims in the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liara View Post
    US-Americans is not the same as Jews-Israelis.

    And thinking there are no anti-Jewish people on these forums is a tad naive. The odds of that happening are extremely low, just like the odds of there being no anti-gay, anti-muslim or anti-anything people on these forums.
    Sure, the problem is Valort is equating anti-Israel people with anti-Semitic people, somehow thinking that will boost his argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liara View Post
    Article 7 of the Hamas charter provides the following quotation: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." Source.

    This means that Hamas (and its supporters) are not just anti-Israel, but also anti-Jewish to a degree.
    Agreed. I just don't think there are as many pro-Hamas people here as you might think. Just pro-Palestinian (civilian!).

  16. #836
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    Sure, the problem is Valort is equating anti-Israel people with anti-Semitic people, somehow thinking that will boost his argument.



    Agreed. I just don't think there are as many pro-Hamas people here as you might think. Just pro-Palestinian (civilian!).


    this... ppl needs to understand this plz

  17. #837
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    Sure, the problem is Valort is equating anti-Israel people with anti-Semitic people, somehow thinking that will boost his argument.

    Agreed. I just don't think there are as many pro-Hamas people here as you might think. Just pro-Palestinian (civilian!).
    Perhaps. However, claiming Israel is lining Palestinians up against fences and systematically slaughtering them (as some have implied, or said so outright) is simply foolish.
    All one needs to do is compare the current operation with Cast Lead, in order to see how well Israel and the IDF are learning lessons and implementing them - so few dead in over a thousand strikes. Israel tries as hard as possible to avoid civilian casualties. Sadly, it's not always possible when Hamas places their launch sites in heavily populated areas (specifically in order to have civilians die, so that they can then blame Israel for "deliberately murdering women and children").

  18. #838
    They aren't lining them up. That is ridiculous. They are choosing civilian buildings and bombing the crap out of them. That is a fact. The media outlets is a open example. Media outlets are civilians.

    Yes we should be happy Israelis are killing fewer civilians over all. Such a blessing We should also then thank the Taliban for not killing as many civilians and only killing ISAF troops
    You can't fix stupid. But damn it you can troll it!

  19. #839
    Quote Originally Posted by Hif View Post
    They aren't lining them up. That is ridiculous. They are choosing civilian buildings and bombing the crap out of them. That is a fact. The media outlets is a open example. Media outlets are civilians.

    Yes we should be happy Israelis are killing fewer civilians over all. Such a blessing We should also then thank the Taliban for not killing as many civilians and only killing ISAF troops
    My point proven, thank you.

  20. #840
    And mine as well. Civilian targets are considered legitimate by Israeli citizens.
    You can't fix stupid. But damn it you can troll it!

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