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  1. #981
    Quote Originally Posted by Liara View Post
    Sigh...
    First map is wrong, because what's colored as "Palestine" is mostly barren wasteland (the Negev Desert) that belongs to no one. Again, it doesn't go "what Jews owned" vs "everything else belonged to Palestinians".
    Second map is roughly correct - it was drawn up to encompass the two populations - Jewish and Arab. God knows why the Arabs felt like the Negev was worth anything to them.
    Third map is again due to Arab aggression - they attacked Israel in order to wipe it out, and lost, thus losing some of their land.
    Fourth map is absolute bogus - the PLO controls the West Bank, with IDF presence in some of the Areas (read about A, B and C areas for further information). Why is there IDF presence, you ask? Because in the Six Day War, Jordan lost control of the West Bank and Egypt of the Gaza Strip - and they never wanted them back (Israel offered).
    It was worth something because it was their home. The same reason the desert peoples of what's now the US fought to protect their lands. It doesn't matter if YOU think it's useless or worthless, it's still THEIR home. As a Native American I have a fuckton of sympathy for the Palestinian people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    It was worth something because it was their home. The same reason the desert peoples of what's now the US fought to protect their lands. It doesn't matter if YOU think it's useless or worthless, it's still THEIR home. As a Native American I have a fuckton of sympathy for the Palestinian people.
    You're missing the fact that no one lived there. Not a soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liara View Post
    You're missing the fact that no one lived there. Not a soul.
    Says the IDF. Supposedly no one lives in the barren areas of the Sahara either, yet that doesn't stop people from finding settlements there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    Says the IDF. Supposedly no one lives in the barren areas of the Sahara either, yet that doesn't stop people from finding settlements there.
    People live there now.
    Don't be obtuse, please. When the British left the area, no one (bar maybe a few single crazies) was living in the desert, as it was uninhabitable. Again, we're talking the desert circa 48', not circa 2012.

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    My cousin just posted on facebook an image of a dead and bloodied baby. I'm not making any judgments on that, but it is possibly the most disturbing image I've ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    My cousin just posted on facebook an image of a dead and bloodied baby. I'm not making any judgments on that, but it is possibly the most disturbing image I've ever seen.
    Thats why I do not use facebook, people throw that crap in your face and ask you to "like" it to show support. What sick bastard likes that stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Thats why I do not use facebook, people throw that crap in your face and ask you to "like" it to show support. What sick bastard likes that stuff?
    People who lack actual communication skills? I dunno.

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    The map is a sham, a hoax. What it does, is marking whever jews lived then coloring all the other area as arab, even tough that the land was not belong to either at that year, it was mandated by the brits actually.

    Then now it just color wherever Palastinian live and just color the rest as jew area.

    And of course there is the head line: Israel won the war at 1967, where the west bank gaza strip , Golan hights and Sinay ware taken, without any help of the U.S, it was made with mostly french made weapons actually.

    Farther more, 1967-1993 should be all white, and then from 1993 you can see some green areas showing too. The tread that the map is trying to show is simply a lie too.
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    The news outlets all over the world pretty much using this map as current:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsey View Post
    The map is a sham, a hoax. What it does, is marking whever jews lived then coloring all the other area as arab, even tough that the land was not belong to either at that year, it was mandated by the brits actually.

    Then now it just color wherever Palastinian live and just color the rest as jew area.

    And of course there is the head line: Israel won the war at 1967, where the west bank gaza strip , Golan hights and Sinay ware taken, without any help of the U.S, it was made with mostly french made weapons actually.

    Farther more, 1967-1993 should be all white, and then from 1993 you can see some green areas showing too. The tread that the map is trying to show is simply a lie too.
    you need to educate yourself Darsey rather than just believe the lies your told.

    David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson,
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    "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    My cousin just posted on facebook an image of a dead and bloodied baby. I'm not making any judgments on that, but it is possibly the most disturbing image I've ever seen.
    Think that was from the family of 11 that died, not judging btw... I don't know what happend, nor have I seen photos, don't want to either, but yeah it's horrible.
    The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsey View Post
    Israel won the war at 1967, where the west bank gaza strip , Golan hights and Sinay ware taken, without any help of the U.S, it was made with mostly french made weapons actually.
    You can add Germany to the French.
    If you aren't German, and old enough for the timeline already, you may not know the political uproar in Germany about the issue of German Weaponry sold.sent to Israel. For most of the German population this was outrageous, simple because it was too close to comfort in regard of WW2. We, the people, wanted to take a neutral stance in such foreign relation activities.
    Many of us believed, and still do to date, that it violated/s our constitution, which translates into basically this message:
    No war should ever again start from German soil.
    Exporting weapons to another country for the sake of an offensive war abroad, contradicts the constitutional meaning.
    Germany is famous for holding on to this, which causes problems with the citizens all the time, because the government involves Germany in ally activities through financial contributions instead. We usually don't send troops, instead we send money to support the others troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackmoves View Post
    Think that was from the family of 11 that died, not judging btw... I don't know what happend, nor have I seen photos, don't want to either, but yeah it's horrible.
    I only know of one incident that wiped out a family of 10, and that was done by the airstrike that aimed to kill a rocket specialist of Hamas. They missed him. But they killed his whole family instead.

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    looks like theyve stuck to the game plan Moshe_Dayan

    "Let us approach them [the Palestinian refugees in the occupied territories] and say that we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave -- and we will see where this process leads. In five years we may have 200,000 less people - and that is a matter of enormous importance."
    (Moshe Dayan, September 1967)

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    Soulcrusher, is there a point to your posting so many out-of-context quotes (that may or may not be true; for example, the alleged quote of Moshe Dayan doesn't appear in the wiki article about him) from 30-60 years ago that have nothing to do with the current situation?

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    i would say it is very pertinent Liara. Hes advocating a policy of ethnic cleansing, the same policy that has been followed since 1967. Im sure even you can see that.

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    And speaking of the current situation - does anyone here know that yesterday (Sunday the 18th of November, 2012) Israel supplied 64 trucks of food and 16 trucks of medical supplies into Gaza, while also allowing 26 Palestinians who are in need of medical care to enter Israel in order to be treated at its hospitals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post
    i would say it is very pertinent Liara. Hes advocating a policy of ethnic cleansing, the same policy that has been followed since 1967. Im sure even you can see that.
    I'll believe it when you link a credible source to the alleged quote.

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    This is such a hard topic for me, because if Mexicans were lobbing rockets over the border into San Antonio, and the Mexicans weren't able or willing to stop them, you better believe I'd support the US military going in there to take out the people firing the rockets. On the other hand, I have family that has family living in Gaza currently under the constant buzzing of the drones and dealing with bombings all around them. I understand that Israel needed to occupy territory and build checkpoints in response to suicide bombings, but at the same time, I think the land grabbing of Israel has been horrible.

    It's such a messy conflict and there are no clean cut good guys and bad guys. All I know is that relatively innocent people on both sides are dying, but that far more Gazans are dying than Israelis.
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    wow that was nice of you. did you then ship them home to be killed?

    "[T]here is no single fixed method for murder and not even for genocide. The author Y. L. Peretz wrote about "the righteous cat" who does not spill blood, but only suffocates. The government of Israel, using the military and its instruments of destruction, is not only spilling blood, but it is also suffocating. ... Of course with our self-righteousness, with our self-adoration in our "Jewish ethics" we make sure to advertise how beautifully the doctors take care of Palestinian victims in the hospitals. We do not advertise how many of those are executed in cold blood in their own homes. So it's not yet genocide of the terrible and unique style of which we were past victims. And as one of the smart Generals told me, we do not have crematoria and gas chambers. Is anything less than that consistent with Jewish ethics? Did he ever hear how an entire people said that it did not know what was done in its name?"
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    @Reeve

    Which is sort of why, at the end of the day, my response is just to walk away. I'm not supporting anybody.

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    Soulcrusher, now you're just grabbing at straws.

    I mean really, what's the purpose of bringing all these pointless quotes by irrelevant people who are long dead?
    Do you honestly believe I can't, in an instant, find dozens of quotes by Palestinian officials regarding how righteous it is to blow yourself up in a bus full of Israeli kids?

    And if they're "executed in cold blood', it's done by their own people - not by Israel.

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