Which is sort of why, at the end of the day, my response is just to walk away. I'm not supporting anybody.
Soulcrusher, now you're just grabbing at straws.
I mean really, what's the purpose of bringing all these pointless quotes by irrelevant people who are long dead?
Do you honestly believe I can't, in an instant, find dozens of quotes by Palestinian officials regarding how righteous it is to blow yourself up in a bus full of Israeli kids?
And if they're "executed in cold blood', it's done by their own people - not by Israel.
i particulalry liked
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Moshe_DayanAnd above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."
And unless you can put that quote into context (let's start with when it was said), it's worthless.
If you want to play this stupid little game, here's a far more recent (and relevant) speech, by Ismail Heniya, the Hamas PM.
Golda Meir, Israel's PM during the Yom Kippur War (another war of aggression by neighboring countries), once said:Guess they still believe that sacrificing their children is a good idea.There will only be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.
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people long dead? the founders of israel you mean? the ones ive quoted stating that they stole arab lands, that they would follow a policy of ethnic cleansing? the ones whos own statements from the time flatly contradict what your saying? I know you dont deal in facts too well and dont see history post biblical times as relevant but come on Liara. weak argument really.
for real irony check out The Balfour Declaration to Baron Rothchild, 2nd of November, 1917
"His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
My father allways used to say WWIII starts in the middle east....hopefully we make it this time for the "maya prophecy" on the 21st of December
The British foreign affairs minister has said that If Israel invades Gaza then it will lose its international support.
This is a good thing IMO, as the international community has supported apartheid Israel for far too long.
Maybe sanctions should be put in place, like in South Africa in the apartheid era, I guess banning Israel from international sporting events would be a waste of time though, seeing as Israel is awful at pretty much every sport.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins.
I am Israeli.
I live 10 km away from your remote family members.
There was a lot of hatred on this thread, a lot of unbased opinion and some things that really bothered me (like Holocaust refrences, my family died there), and I always wanted to comment but said, meh- to sign on for that? If the guy actually thinks that, nothing you can say can change his mind and I'll just come out frustrated, and that is not healthy.
Your post really touched me, it was honest and true.
I wish your family well, I hate to see civilians caught in the crossfire, and I truly hope for peace, for everyone's sake.
So, thank you, I guess.
This, for a change, was worth commenting to.
And you've yet to put a single quote into real context.
Then again, I know how much people love to blindly attack Israel, without actually regarding facts (like how you completely disregarded the massive amount of aid that Israel gives to Gaza, despite being at a fucking war with the rulers of it).
One can find a vast amount of horrible quotes on both sides of the aisle.
Golda Meir for example has some very wonderful quotes. yet at same time she also said very nasty evil things....
And I am sure, that can be said for people on either side
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The less you know, the more you believe.
Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hate, religion, war, or violence.
I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.
Take away the two extremes of people who live in the zone and won't move but a tad from their side of the picture, it will leave all others..
And I am under the impression that everyone is not siding with propaganda, let alone terrorists. We are rather siding with the people. The civilians on both sides who suffer from the situation. And it is absolutely justified to therefore criticize both governments. No side is spared here in that regard.
Both sides are at fault. Both sides are responsible for the population to suffer.
Found that image to be rather evocative. An iron dome missile moving to intercept an incoming rocket.
And again, instead of addressing the aid Israel itself is giving, you choose to try and attack something else entirely.
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