I think the leaders of Palestine are the ones who fail to see that there are innocents involved. They are the ones randomly attacking civilians, and then hiding behind their own people when Israel fights back. Those are the people who should disgust you, my friend (but thanks for the continued personal attacks, rather than using actual, salient arguments - demonstrating that you really have no point to make).
Meh... Both Israel and Hamas are "in the wrong," so to speak. Which one is "more" wrong depends on your point of view, also so to speak.
Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
Source? RICH source...
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I have always hated Hamas for using innocents in their plots and yes they do disgust me. I've never said otherwise but you continuously failed to recognise that they're are people other than Hamas in Palestine.
The rockets don’t seem to be doing anything. It’s like throwing a rock at a tank that you know will retaliate. If they want to die for nothing I don’t really care but they’re doing it within civilian areas. They’re not fighting back; they’re just prolonging the destruction. They can’t fight back militarily; one would think they would stop giving Israel cover in order to speed up a diplomatic solution.
I definitely agree, the larger issues are immensely complicated and have no simple solution. And it definitely applies to both sides. On a side note, I definitely wouldn't want to have some guys that were lobbing rockets at random civilians being partners in government with me (if I was Israel).
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You really ought to read posts before making personal attacks on people, it degrades the level of debate and adds nothing but negativity to the forum. Try rereading (or reading the for the first time) my last few posts, and you can see where I've specifically pointed out the civilian issue on both sides.
I Agree with this woman.
Israli are stealing homes from palistine and need to stop the occupation.
Israli even kill other Israli for not being jewish enough by blood or paper.
Israli only roads, if we had white only roads in NA ppl would riot.
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No Israel = Zionist Jews, And Palistine are The Arabs.
"They could try not electing terrorists and killing random civilians. Blockades are only happening because they won't let the ships be inspected for weapons, and are really being used for political purposes, rather than aid. Israel provides aid to Palestine, fyi." ~ cubby.
Who are "they"?
You do realize that Hamas gained power by two methods, right? First, they were formed based on the desire to fight back against Israel and its crimes, no matter what methods they had to use. Their largest desirable trait is pointing at Israel and saying "These guys want to wipe out all of Palestine." So really, when Israel attacks civilians in an attempt to force them away from Hamas, it just pushes them closer because it shows that Hamas was right. Its a twisted form of propaganda, yes, but when you've been marginalized by a superior military force for a few decades twisted logic tends to be an effective tactic. Second, they gained power by either absorbing or removing anyone else who was politically competent. They stay in power by preventing the opposition from being able to oppose them, making them the only effective leaders in the country.
Lets not get too personal here.
Jews and Arabs are both Semitic.
They are all from the same area.
Pre-Islam, there were a lot more Christian Arabs and even Jewish Arabs.
Both have the right to live there, they are 'cousins' if not 'brothers'.
The current (post-Ottoman) situation is purely about power and control of resources, like any conflict - with a veil of nationalism and religious tension thrown into the mix (and, do not forget ever: Christians, Muslims and members of Judaism ALL worship the same God).
So, please remember - this conflict is about power, control and resources.
Both sides do wrong, I abhorr the slaughter of civillians but in my personal belief, the Israeli Government need to wake up and smell the coffee - they just cannot sustain their current position even up to the centennary of it's foundation.
If you disagree, then that's your opinion. I can respect that. Just do not spit venom at me and start calling me names.
Nah, zionism was originally the belief that a Jewish state should be formed in then-Palestine, now-Israel.
That's all very true. However, them being worthless pieces of shit doesn't mean Israel shouldn't be responsible and recognize there are innocent civilians on the other side of the fence a bit more.
I do indeed, and I've pointed this out many times. But it's not any one's fault but the Palestinians for the mess their in with their elected government. Israel has wanted two-state talks for decades and Hamas can't come to the table, always finding a reason to avoid the bigger issues. Hamas randomly attacks civilians, then hides behind their own when the response comes back. It's a very twisted situation.
Excuse me, but I wasn't the one using personal attacks. So let's not accuse the wrong person here, shall we?Lets not get too personal here.
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Absolutely, but how many random attacks does Israel have to suffer before they can respond? Israel puts up with so much shit, almost on a daily basis, and then gets blamed with the coward "militants" (Hamas, not Palestinian civilians) hide behind civilians. Israel has an excellent military, but you can only be so accurate.
Haha, oh god. Are you seriously denying the easily available weapons in the Middle East? Please, what a joke. Just keep saying the Palestine people aren't at least responsible for the shit they've caused themselves with electing a terrorist organization to run the country and for letting them cause the current and possibly future mess that is about to rain down on them.
Am I saying Israel is 100% correct here? No, they have a right to protect themselves. Israel is not going to dissolve, it is here to stay.
As long as Israel remains aggressive towards Palestine, Hamas will remain in power. Israel has maintained a position of offering peace with one hand while stabbing with the other, and has focused on demands rather than compromises. Is this true in all situations? No. But it definitely speaks for the majority.
I don't have the time or patience to go back through the last few pages of a thread, ultimately, especially when from previous discussions I have a general view of how each person approaches the matter at hand. I saw an aggressive post and responded to that one, nothing more and nothing less.Excuse me, but I wasn't the one using personal attacks. So let's not accuse the wrong person here, shall we?
So Israel should just keep taking the rockets up the ass, not defending themselves or preventing their civilians from being killed, until Hamas decides they want to negotiate? I don't think that will work.
Selective reading is selective reading, not going to say any more.I don't have the time or patience to go back through the last few pages of a thread, ultimately, especially when from previous discussions I have a general view of how each person approaches the matter at hand. I saw an aggressive post and responded to that one, nothing more and nothing less.