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  1. #1581
    Quote Originally Posted by Palmatum View Post
    What is the alternative? Let Hamas keep firing rockets at Israeli citizens?
    getting the hell out of a place that is not even of the isreal ppl is a good solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martoshi View Post
    It's clear by now that Israel is incapable of solving this conflict in a humane, intelligent way, and the international community must start looking at other alternatives.
    Who is this "international community" you talking about? The UN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by larrakeyah View Post
    Who is this "international community" you talking about? The UN?
    The UN, and more specifically the Security Council.

    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    The UN, and more specifically the Security Council.
    Yeah i heard Israelis shit themselves when the Security Coundil debates. The UN and the Security Council lol, what a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larrakeyah View Post
    Yeah i heard Israelis shit themselves when the Security Coundil debates. The UN and the Security Council lol, what a farce.
    Libya says hi! Also, the only reason why nothing is done is because the US vetoes everything involving Israel.

    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Libya says hi! Also, the only reason why nothing is done is because the US vetoes everything involving Israel.
    So you're actually agreeing with me, it's a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N-7 View Post
    Do you not have any grasp of history or are you being dump on purpose?
    What part of it is incorrect, enlighten me.

    EDIT: Funny that I got infracted for my post, I guess it did not fit a moderator's agenda, but nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larrakeyah View Post
    Yeah i heard Israelis shit themselves when the Security Coundil debates. The UN and the Security Council lol, what a farce.


    lol the UN is a bad joke lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by larrakeyah View Post
    So you're actually agreeing with me, it's a farce.
    Only if you subjectively ignore history.

    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silhouette55 View Post
    What part of it is incorrect, enlighten me.

    EDIT: Funny that I got infracted for my post, I guess it did not fit a moderator's agenda, but nevermind.
    Let me answer your question by another question, how do you think science progressed from the dawn of humanity until now if empires fall and rise?

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    someday, probably way in the future, ppl will talk, in the history classes they will teach the truth about the israel been the bad guys here, some ppl doesnt see it now just like in the ww2 lot of ppl thought that hitttler was the good guy, same deal, someday ppl will speak with the truth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Libya says hi! Also, the only reason why nothing is done is because the US vetoes everything involving Israel.
    Syria says hi as Russia veto's everything regarding that

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrinvisable2 View Post
    Syria says hi as Russia veto's everything regarding that
    Those 2 subjects are completely unrelated and Russia using it's veto to prevent sanctions benefits Israel as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by volraths View Post
    someday, probably way in the future, ppl will talk, in the history classes they will teach the truth about the israel been the bad guys here, some ppl doesnt see it now just like in the ww2 lot of ppl thought that hitttler was the good guy, same deal, someday ppl will speak with the truth
    You sir see things as they really are.
    /endsarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Libya says hi! Also, the only reason why nothing is done is because the US vetoes everything involving Israel.
    Are you talking about a military operation? Even if the US got out of the way, who do you think is gonna pull that off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Those 2 subjects are completely unrelated and Russia using it's veto to prevent sanctions benefits Israel as well
    Same situation, different countries. The result is that the UN is doing jack because one of the big brothers be saying "bad on you for thinking ill of my friend." I could replace 'friend' with a whole list of different words, but you get the gist of it. =P So I would say, looking at the UN's reaction to Israel, they are related by the inability for the UN to step in and do something.

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    The rocket barrage should not stop untill all agressors and invaders are driven off from Palestinian land.

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    You know, reading this thread I noticed people talk a lot more about what one side should do\did\would do\was in the right to do\etc. to the other.

    Not much talk of possible solutions (well, aside, palestinians should keep bombing Israel until they leave, for all the sense that makes).
    Can we change that? Maybe focus a bit more in this thread on what both sides should do (within the plausible) the enact peace?
    And please, I much rather hear a solution that does not involve massacre on either side, by local and far away forces... Just saying.
    Anyone up for a challange?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeDayKeen View Post
    You know, reading this thread I noticed people talk a lot more about what one side should do\did\would do\was in the right to do\etc. to the other.

    Not much talk of possible solutions (well, aside, palestinians should keep bombing Israel until they leave, for all the sense that makes).
    Can we change that? Maybe focus a bit more in this thread on what both sides should do (within the plausible) the enact peace?
    And please, I much rather hear a solution that does not involve massacre on either side, by local and far away forces... Just saying.
    Anyone up for a challange?
    Solutions have been offered, surprisingly, by the Israeli side. The peace talks always fall on 3 points:
    1) Palestinians admitting Israel has a right to exist
    2) Jerusalem staying the way it is, with the Palestinian neighborhoods and the great mosque under Palestinian authority and the rest under Israeli control.
    3) Palestinian right of return

    I believe they may give up on Jerusalem before they accept Israel's right to exist. How can you make peace with an entity unable to accept your right to exist to begin with? Hoping that random rockets, brain-washing propaganda, media pressure and the even more random terrorist attack will actually cause Israel to "go back" to "48's borders" is quite... Unreal?
    I bet Israel would sooner return the Golan Heights to Syria and give up the strategical and tactical advantage of not being threatened from a higher position before they moved back to 48's borders.

    Israel has suggested going back to 67's borders, which was accepted by the government, despite several extremist minorities being against such move. Splitting Jerusalem was also accepted, even if under more critique, yet still somehow accepted. Israel also somewhat agreed to a right of return plan as long as it isn't right away and in waves (More in order not to completely overload Palestinian infrastructure and services, than for security reasons).

    The ways to make "peace" are there. But for peace, both sides need to agree. When one side says "Yes" and the other says "Maybe... But we'll keep firing random rockets for now", you know what it means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valort View Post
    Solutions have been offered, surprisingly, by the Israeli side. The peace talks always fall on 3 points:
    1) Palestinians admitting Israel has a right to exist
    2) Jerusalem staying the way it is, with the Palestinian neighborhoods and the great mosque under Palestinian authority and the rest under Israeli control.
    3) Palestinian right of return

    I believe they may give up on Jerusalem before they accept Israel's right to exist. How can you make peace with an entity unable to accept your right to exist to begin with? Hoping that random rockets, brain-washing propaganda, media pressure and the even more random terrorist attack will actually cause Israel to "go back" to "48's borders" is quite... Unreal?
    I bet Israel would sooner return the Golan Heights to Syria and give up the strategical and tactical advantage of not being threatened from a higher position before they moved back to 48's borders.

    Israel has suggested going back to 67's borders, which was accepted by the government, despite several extremist minorities being against such move. Splitting Jerusalem was also accepted, even if under more critique, yet still somehow accepted. Israel also somewhat agreed to a right of return plan as long as it isn't right away and in waves (More in order not to completely overload Palestinian infrastructure and services, than for security reasons).

    The ways to make "peace" are there. But for peace, both sides need to agree. When one side says "Yes" and the other says "Maybe... But we'll keep firing random rockets for now", you know what it means.
    Oh you, don't you know that's all just zionist propaganda?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Lets say you have a two 3 inch lines. One is all red and the other is 48% red and 52% blue. Does that mean there's a 50-50 chance they're both red or is the second line matching the all red line by 48%?
    ^^^ Wells using an analogy

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