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For killing and just getting by, that is.
Palestine was never a country, Palestinians should go to there brothers and sisters in Jordan/Egypt/Syria, there all arabs, all from the same region. Israel is a country formed in what used to be the British Mandate of Palestine, the Arabs didnt like that so they attacked and started a war. Israel won said war, expanded there borders (extremely modest expansion) so that they could make sure they could defend their sovereignty and citizens from harm, being surrounded by a race of people that dont believe they have the right to exist. In the end the one with the biggest stick has control. Israel not only has the biggest stick but is also a first world country, far more advanced than any other in the mid east.
Only when the palestinain people tell their governments to halt aggression against Israel (rockets every day) and speak out against suicide bombings and wretched things like that will Israel even think about stopping their expansion into the West Bank. The palestinians have been refugees for 60 years and have done nothing with the territory they "control". Israel has professionals in all fields of life, producing doctors, lawyers, businessmen, innovation and the like, Palestinians want to do to Israel what they did to Gaza, turn the whole god dam place into a dependent ghetto that requires handouts to even be able to go about day to day life.
One last thing. Arabs can be citizens in Israel, Jews cannot in any middle eastern country aside from ISrael. Now i know there is resentment in Israel between the Jewish and Arab peoples, but that is similar to how a Frenchman or Brit would feel about a German after WW1/2, in middle eastern countries if your a Jew you should be killed on the grounds that you are exactly that, a Jew. There is a black and white difference between the two peoples, with very little grey areas.
You can pick only 2.
Allow me to quote some for you:
In fact, by this article, Israel is only RIGHT in defending itself against Hamas (IE, We have a member of the UN under armed attack). Therefore, nothing the UN decides can impair Israel's right to defend itself. In fact, the UN should actually be HELPING Israel defend itself against Hamas, as of this article.Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
Furthermore, if you want to bring the UN into the fray, here, have their take on Territorial Integrity:
As in, the PA, and even Hamas, are wrong by bothering the territorial integrity of the state of Israel. What we have here, are some organizations trying to take land from a nation-state which is a member of the UN.Territorial integrity is the principle under international law that nation-states should not attempt to promote secessionist movements or to promote border changes in other nation-states.
But please, by all means, give us sources for your "ban on acquisition of lands in wars".
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Rincewind: Ah! We may, in fact, have reached the root of the problem. However it's a silly problem and so I am suddenly going to stop talking to you.
The better character questionnaire (D&D)
" Third, they respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live; and they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them"
So how about you get out of their land before waving those UN resolutions around? You broke one of those it's based on when you stole Palestinian land and sovereignty.
You mean they were first? Once again, prove to me that Palestine was entirely depopulated when the zionists came, or this argument is ridiculous, as it is. Zionists came after Palestinians had lived there and bought land off Palestinians.Well, since the whole "We were here first" point means a loss for the Palestinians,
They have their government. They chose their prime minister. Those in gaza supposedly democratically chose Hamas to rule them. By that point, they have it all. No part of your quote speaks of lands, it speaks of governments and sovereigns.
Stop twisting the truth, or simply learn to understand what you read for what it is.
Also, you're still deflecting and not providing any sources for your dribble.
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And yes, they do have a right to sovereignty, but not inside the borders of an existing country. That would upset the territorial integrity of a UN member.
You took their territories and forced them to leave at gunpoint. That's not self-determination. After all, you can switch off their power and water when you want; that's not self-determination either.They have their government. They chose their prime minister. Those in gaza supposedly democratically chose Hamas to rule them. By that point, they have it all. No part of your quote speaks of lands, it speaks of governments and sovereigns.
I could point out the further UN resolution about occupiers needing to leave occupied nations?