Thinking this is a onesided conflict with one good guy(often supposed to be Israel) and one bad side is just out of order. You got Israelis that settle down on palestinian soil, and eventhough IDF have forcefully removed some of them at times they just go straight back in there, setting up new houses/small communities.
Another thing I really hate is that if you critize Israel or Israeli policy there are people that are fast as hell to accuse you of being an anti semite. Such a perfect way to destroy any middle ground that there is.
The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...
Let's not derail this thread.
Reckon that doesn't fit the narrative of Israel being evil and needing to be wiped off the map.
I'm struggling with Hama's rational for continued rocket strikes.
Not from a moral aspect, I can understand that, even though I disagree with it.
But tactically, they’re just ineffective and only prolonging the conflict.
On that note, the Iron Dome is certainly living up to all the hype.
So youd have us believe that
There is no blockade
There is no such thing as Palestine
Palestinians should be grateful for the aid we give them
Really all of the above show the mass of lies and delusion that is the israeli view point.
Israel enforces a blockade whilst drilling for gas off the coast of gaza. The people killed and injured in international waters may not agree on the legality of your blockade.
People lived in Palestine long before modern Israel was bought from the British
Grateful for aid that they wouldn't need if you hadn't stolen their land and walled them up in a ghetto.
I quote your own founders acknowledging stealing the land. Proposing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and still you trot out lie after lie.
Anyway, as for me I couldn't care less if the entire area was nuked. Both sides can be wiped off the map for all I care. I'm not saying I would actively work towards that outcome, but if it happened I wouldn't have any problem with it. Only way for there to be peace in that part of the world apparently.
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But yeah, reducing religious zealotry is the right way to put it. But if only it were that easy.
Now, up to the conflicts with Israel and the Gaza strip, I do not know of any war started in the name of Judaism. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Islam is the really interesting thing because it is probably the most peaceful in nature of the religions. it is the leaders that propagate these wars and label it religion as a reason. But that is like anything. For example, Al-Qaeda practice a corrupted variant of Islam to meet their needs, where they are taught to sacrifice themselves, etc.
To me this isn't a Palestine vs Israel deal.
It's a Hamas vs Israel. For whatever reason a group of extremists got power in Palestine and are using the the fact that everyone feels that Israel is going too far to their advantage.
However I do question several things.
1)For more than a few strikes that the Hamas claim have hit civilian areas and killed civilians why is it that they've hurriedly removed all traces of the shells. You'd think they'd want people to take pics to demonstrate how evil Israel is. Food for thought.
2)They're blatantly and proudly firing their missiles indiscriminately into densely populated areas while crying foul about Israel's retaliation. And the international media's lapping it up. Does Israel need to allow a missile to strike an area and suffer numerous casualties for people to realise that the Hamas are NOT playing by the rules laid out by most civilised countries?
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So much this.
Let's assume for a moment that Israel didn't exist, or Israel was defeated and dissolved. Would the middle east become a peaceful zone with everyone happy and ponies for everyone?
Most Middle Eastern countries have their own personal beefs with one another ranging from ancient insults that they themselves only remember to differing ways that they interpret the Koran. The only thing currently binding them together is that they all dislike Israel to some degree. Ironic that the only thing stopping the Middle East from erupting into a free for all is the very country so many love to hate.
The confusion caused when one's mind
overrides the body's basic
desire to choke the living shit out of
some jerk who desperately needs it
/sing Joshua at the Battle of Jericho, and the walls came tumbling down. /stopsingingNow, up to the conflicts with Israel and the Gaza strip, I do not know of any war started in the name of Judaism. Please correct me if I am wrong.
And remind me again, how many Philistine foreskins did David have to collect in battle in order to win the hand of Saul's daughter?
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'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Either way, what do you expect Palestinians to do? They've effectively been wiped off the map and have blockades stopping rations/aid to come to them. Firing rockets seems to be their last and only resort against growing settlements.
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The less you know, the more you believe.
Science has promised us nothing and given us everything, faith has promised us everything and given us nothing.
EDIT: hint hint who waged most of the wars in the Middle East? it wasn't the Arabs.
Something is telling in the fact that no one wants the Palestinians except the Israelis' - too bad they burned the bridge, stole the charred remains, buried them in the sand and left them to rot.
I hear Iraq has a lot of new openings for immigrants though. /sarcasm.
I have to say I'm confused by this one. Granted they have generations, even centuries, of built in hate over there. Still, if you start killing people in a country's government, whether a legitimate regime or not. They are going to try and strike back. So that whole "we had no choice" thing sounds a little fishy to me.
Sir Robin, the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot.
Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
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