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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    It has, but not in a looooong time. Last time we seriously tried was with Castro, and somehow he managed to not get snagged by any of the numerous attempts the CIA made on his life in the 60's, and early 70's. The CIA was officially banned from such practices in the 70's as well.

    Do you really think Gaddafi (or however you spell it) was apprehended and killed by NLA fighters after NATO planes shot up his convoy?

    I would be absolutely stunned to find out that there wasn't some sort of US special operations involvment on the ground that led to his death/assassination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    Don't bother. Forbes is part of the LIBERAL MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT. Nothing you link can ever be true.

    /sarcasm.
    Read the comments they break it down pretty well. Doesnt factor in inflation, doesnt count 2009 etc. I could copy and paste but its easier to click and scroll.

    The author tries to defend himself but is pwnd

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    doesnt count 2009 etc.
    You know why it doesn't count 2009? Could it be because that budget was passed under the Bush administration?!?
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    Do you really think Gaddafi (or however you spell it) was apprehended and killed by NLA fighters after NATO planes shot up his convoy?

    I would be absolutely stunned to find out that there wasn't some sort of US special operations involvment on the ground that led to his death/assassination.
    Are you retarded? there is a video of his death online. A fuckton of rebels drag him through the dirt beating the fuck out of him and then someone shoots him, at some point in the video someone also stabs him in the ass.

    Nato and american forces were only there to provide air support and light training.

    Infracted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moogogaipan View Post
    If people where less nostaliga whores, we wouldn't be QQIng it's the end of the world every time the white to rule shifted in ways some people don't like.
    What are you even saying? I think the discussion is saying, "hey I see the smoke, what started the fire?".
    Are you saying there is no smoke?!
    "There are none so blind as those who will not see"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Are you retarded? there is a video of his death online. A fuckton of rebels drag him through the dirt beating the fuck out of him and then someone shoots him, at some point in the video someone also stabs him in the ass.


    No, I'm not retarded, I've seen the video. What do you think special operations does, anyway, what you see on Call of Duty? A bunch of bad asses kicking ass and shoving American flags into dead bodies while thunderous rock music plays?

    No, they integrate with, train, facilitate and assist foreign fighters. Anyone who believes that a bunch of rebels just happened to be in the area after a NATO air strike blew the shit out of his convoy is delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    You know why it doesn't count 2009? Could it be because that budget was passed under the Bush administration?!?
    Feel free to read the comments, they break it down pretty well. I just skimmed over them since its a really bias article. Ill copy and paste if you refuse to use your mouse wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    Feel free to read the comments, they break it down pretty well. I just skimmed over them since its a really bias article. Ill copy and paste if you refuse to use your mouse wheel.
    I would be almost fascinated to see what you consider not "biased."
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    And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    Feel free to read the comments, they break it down pretty well. I just skimmed over them since its a really bias article. Ill copy and paste if you refuse to use your mouse wheel.
    You claimed it's wrong because it doesn't count 2009. This is false because the budget for FY2009 was passed under the Bush administration.
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    The simple fact of the matter is im pretty sure anyone can start these petitions yeah? So all you need is one big moron to start one and people who are stupid enough to agree with him or people who want to make it a publicity stunt will sign it aswell. There is no real threat of the country falling apart so you don't have to worry this is merely a publicity stunt and I can assure you not many people in the capitol are taking this seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRobin View Post
    I would be almost fascinated to see what you consider not "biased."
    The irony in this is astounding. How long until you start bashing fox news again?

    Ruk, just click the link, scroll to the bottom and read what people work in the financial industry have to say. They can break it down much better than me since they understand the loopholes used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    The irony in this is astounding. How long until you start bashing fox news again?

    Ruk, just click the link, scroll to the bottom and read what people work in the financial industry have to say. They can break it down much better than me since they understand the loopholes used.
    I actually have been reading. He is doing a good job of shooting critiques full of holes. I also couldn't help but laugh at your "really bias article" comment since at the top its says, "Rick Ungar, Contributor, Writing from the left on politics and policy." So, of course its "biased." Not to mention that someone claiming to work in the "Financial Industry," does not mean they actually do. Nor would it, in any way, grant their opinion any inherently greater level of credibility.

    Or is this like the unbiased cell phone claim that, of course, must be entirely "accurate."
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    Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
    And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    Not that I condone the entire thing, but capturing and bringing Saddam Hussein to justice for his war crimes against humanity was a positive outcome.
    Calling it Positive outcome will be too much of stretch. Since, without him the power vacuum has resulted. Corrupt officials are filling the posts of power. More deaths than Saddam was doing anyway. I suppose you can call it a positive outcome from idealized or moral point of view as we brought down a tyrant. But you would have to ignore we are not white knights either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Yeah, if Texas were to leave, and it won't, then yeah, a lot of that stuff would just flee to other states, but it's silly to think that Texas offers nothing of value currently.
    Don't get me wrong, I have been to Texas many times, and it is a large and fertile State. Austin Texas has many things I am use to in California (Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf) All in all If it wasn't for the bats and humidity I could live there. The biggest problem with Texas is the Texas ego, say I'm wrong I dare you disagree that Texas does not have the biggest ego of any state, and in some cases several states combined. In the hypothetical Texas become independent and extreme right wingers move in, which is what would happen. Many of the gains Texas has made in the last 20 years will be lost, and it could take 60 years before Texas became the economic power house it wants to be. Granted it would be a miserable place to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Uh...not being caught kinda implies there is no evidence.
    I imagine the evidence would be a dead dictator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I have been to Texas many times, and it is a large and fertile State. Austin Texas has many things I am use to in California (Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf) All in all If it wasn't for the bats and humidity I could live there. The biggest problem with Texas is the Texas ego, say I'm wrong I dare you disagree that Texas does not have the biggest ego of any state, and in some cases several states combined. In the hypothetical Texas become independent and extreme right wingers move in, which is what would happen. Many of the gains Texas has made in the last 20 years will be lost, and it could take 60 years before Texas became the economic power house it wants to be. Granted it would be a miserable place to live.
    Texas's ego could sink Great Britain, it's true. You can't walk two steps without tripping over a Texas flag or a Texas Lone Star, or an advertisement appealing to the Texas ego. There's no question of that. Texas is very good about building a story and an image around itself that it then very effectively markets to itself and to other parts of the world. That results in a negative image in some people's minds and a positive image in others.

    I really hated the Texas ego when I first moved here 6 years ago, and it was even harder being from California, which has a very different type of huge ego of its own. I've lived here long enough now, though, that it just kind of fades into the background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaeevictiss View Post
    really?! The debt is 100% bush? Obama almost doubled the debt since he took office...

    Did you get your facts from CNN? Shame on you.
    I haven't watched any television since 2002, I have the internet. I've had high speed internet since 2000, I download my visual entertainment. I get my news from direct sources on the internet. Honestly why would I watch filtered opinions claiming to be news when I can pull up AP, BBC, Mosaic, FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NYT, LAT, and all the other news agencies in the world. I can look at both sides of an argument and come to my own conclusions with out having to watch an actor tell me what to think.

    Make your own opinions on the Dept, but when Bush came into office their was no debt. Clinton balanced the books first president to do so in fact.


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    civil war was all about states rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Make your own opinions on the Dept, but when Bush came into office their was no debt. Clinton balanced the books first president to do so in fact.

    Deficit, I think you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    Did you read the article? The author used very creative math.
    Yes read that article and it is mostly accurate, however I would have to say part of the reason for the lack of spending is the lack of getting anything done in Congress and the Senate, the last 4 years saw the least amount of work by both houses ever in history. p.s. the reason is the Republicans refused to do anything and voted no on everything.

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